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Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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The S&P 500 is down 21% since the beginning of the year.

Muni bond and treasury ETFs are not down 21%, and neither is my emergency fund investment account.

Broad munis and intermediate treasuries are both down 10% YTD, and so are TIPS (though at least those have had inflation adjustments). You might want to check your "emergency fund investment account" lol...

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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Stocks are liquid enough that you can sell enough to pay your credit card off before getting hit with interest. There's no reason to have 6 months worth of expenses in cash just sitting around unless you strongly suspect a crash.

That sounds like a lot of work, with added risks. With our system, our bills get paid with the money we have, and then when we make more money, it just goes back to the buffer account. Overflow goes into investing.

It's not something you need to justify to other people!

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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> I don't make 12 trips a day to stores/friends/whatever when I can just make one or two Forget gas: This type behavior is a waste of time! The most precious resource of all.

"Waste" is subjective. Some people may enjoy driving/running a bunch of errands (I find it fun sometimes when I have nothing else to do).

I read a few news stories that during lockdowns, many people would only buy a few groceries at a time, so that they could go out more, and spend time at the market.

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> It's not logical or financially wise I'm taken aback by this statement. I am in an incredibly similar situation to your wife in terms of growing up and being successful today, and I do this. Granted, I think I'm at 3.5 months, but the point stands. Sure, the money isn't generating more wealth, but that amount is finite. It's a cushion that should effectively indefinitely and every dollar beyond is vigorously invest…

Stocks are liquid enough that you can sell enough to pay your credit card off before getting hit with interest. There's no reason to have 6 months worth of expenses in cash just sitting around unless you strongly suspect a crash.

Stocks are the definition of not liquid, in that their implied duration is 10+ years at least. How many fools are using stocks as an emergency fund during a tightening cycle that's removing liquidity at the fastest pace since the 1980's?

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I 100% welcome higher gas prices. Americans are so wasteful it's ridiculous. It'll hurt if you're currently in an inefficient car but once you get a hybrid / EV you won't care. I don't even look at the price filling up my Prius. SUVs that look like school buses and people commuting to an office job in full size trucks is madness.

I'm in the automotive industry and the biggest fan of EVs in general. I was even home-building an EV before I moved to the city. I think we still have a lot to figure out with our charging infrastructure, in cities where often it's hard just to park. I want an EV badly, but it'd be a constant struggle to keep it charged. There's also an issue with car companies generally not making the cars I want anymore, though I u…

EVs have really large batteries nowadays which should make home charging feasible for most. The Tesla Model 3 has an EPA estimated mileage of 358 while the Nissan Leaf has estimated 149. If you mostly travel within city limits, I'd be surprised if you could deplete your whole battery before you get home at the end of the day.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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I have a form of this in other areas. Growing up we didn't have a ton of money and batteries were expensive. We never had batteries to replace depleted ones, so once a toy was out of batteries, it was done. We just played without those features. Now, having kids, I'm so conscience of batteries. I have a tester and check each battery when "dead" and put them in a separate box if I think they have enough juice for a lower power item. We have the money to just replace batteries when we need to... I just need to conserve them.

The other area is colour ink. Printing in colour as a kid was a big deal. I think think I'm going to get in trouble at work when I print in colour... like the massive organization I work for is going to care about 5 pages of full colour document.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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Being poor in general, during your childhood, scars you for life. It makes you penny wise and pound foolish, adverse to taking risks in your career and investments, can destroy your confidence in yourself, while always having to look over your shoulder monetarily speaking. Habits that even after you remove poverty from your live, you still feel the the anxiety and triggers in your head.

It's pretty well studied that people who grew up poor have a harder time saving and are actually more reckless about spending, because they a) didn't have modeling or financial education from their parents and b) had to spend money when they got it before some random fee or cost gobbled it up

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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I was a kid during both oil shocks of the 1970s. That has absolutely nothing to do with my driving. What does, and not just for driving, is the family taught cultural value of 'don't be wasteful'. So unlike so many people today, I don't make 12 trips a day to stores/friends/whatever when I can just make one or two if I actually think 5 minutes ahead. That applies whether gas is $1 or $5 per gallon. I also try to make…

> I don't make 12 trips a day to stores/friends/whatever when I can just make one or two Forget gas: This type behavior is a waste of time! The most precious resource of all.

I do this all the time, but I walk everywhere so I just see the trips as extra exercise time.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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I have a high yield savings account and interest is 0.75%, 6 withdrawals per month and the transfer completes same day if I need it in an emergency, plus it’s FDIC insured. Same peace of mind plus interest.

You might be talking about AMEX Savings? I remember when it was 1.70% before the pandemic. That almost beat inflation!

That’s the one. It looks like some others are offering 1%+ now.
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