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Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#51
post #26

Something I haven’t seen discussed much is the impact of inflation on the existing federal debt. This is actually a positive for taxpayers as the federal debt will become cheaper. Obviously we’re still spending a ton and are issuing debt at higher rates now, so it’s not some kind of magic cure or anything.

Sort of.

But the government also has a deficit. Which means it's exchanging low % notes for high % notes.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#52
post #4

It seems the Fed is stuck in a state of overreaction. First they overshoot on money printing, then they disregard early signs of inflation, and now they're in a panic in the opposite direction. Seeing the news this week that Bernanke said that the Fed should be able to pull off a soft-landing now in 2022 gave me an uncomfortable déjà vu -- he said the same in 2006 and 2007, right before he raised rates enough to kick…

My biggest concern is that the Fed is actually just not in the driver's seat at all right now. Raising rates is definitely the right thing to do and will at least help, but the inflationary pressures don't seem to be monetary at all. There's just no policy answers to the supply issues and if a stock market crash didn't slow down consumer demand, idk how rate cuts are going to do it. The best case is this curtails some of the wage-price spiral which is not entirely positive. Asset deflation has already happened without their help. May as well sink my savings into Luna and hope for a turnaround.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#53
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, inflation seems largely driven by energy prices, which in turn are driven by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not the top event I'd imagine a bank predicting well.

Energy prices which have LATELY, MAYBE, been driven by failed attempt of the US applying sanctions to Russia over the invasion of Ukraine. Reminder: https://www.csis.org/analysis/biden-makes-sweeping-changes-o...

> failed attempt of the US applying sanctions to Russia over the invasion of Ukraine.

Russia is now selling a fraction of the oil they were pre-war for 70 cents on the dollar. The sanctions haven't failed.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#54

You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

A key driver to inflation is that wages for lower-income workers was finally starting to rise. Tanking the economy will hurt these people the most. But yes, inflation would flatten.

I don’t know anyone who has had their salaries keep pace with inflation. And I presume the lack of pay rises is the cause for all the industrial action I keep hearing about.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#55
post #26

Something I haven’t seen discussed much is the impact of inflation on the existing federal debt. This is actually a positive for taxpayers as the federal debt will become cheaper. Obviously we’re still spending a ton and are issuing debt at higher rates now, so it’s not some kind of magic cure or anything.

I read something like this actually isn't the panacea it seems like in the long term because inflation reduces real growth long term, or something like that.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#56
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When America shuts down or reduces its own oil supply, those holding the rest of the world's supply get more leverage.

We reduced our oil production before the invasion. Gas prices were multiplying before the invasion. Putin did not force the reduction of our own supply. The current administration did. The invasion may have been the consequence of the reduction of our production and amplified the "price hikes", but it wasn't the cause of the "price hikes", the initial action of reducing production and relying on foreign imports was.

Exactly. Russia has been a distraction to all this, and it was well in play before Ukraine kicked off.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#57

You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

I just wish it was done earlier and more cheaply during otherwise good times.

I think you would need monarchy (or something more tyrannical) to get that. Democracies seem reliably short-sighted. The personal responsibility of taking on debt is so thoroughly attenuated in a democracy that piling on ($90k per citizen and counting, in the US) debt is the expedient thing to do, and it's seemingly impossible to overcome the electoral price paid for trying to reject that expedient option.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#58

You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

I'm sure the lower middle class people who lose their job will appreciate it.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#59
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does IRS win here?

Unless the tax brackets are adjusted, inflation with rising wages means more people in higher tax brackets. If corporate earnings go up, there's more for the IRS too though that might be wiped out by the lessening value of each dollar.

Unless the tax brackets which are adjusted for inflation every year continue to be adjusted as usual*

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

#60
post #3

Stocks rallying a bit. I expect we'll see dead cat bouncing at least until we get the next CPI numbers.

It seems as though the dip buying will continue but perhaps the fed wants a smoother road back to reality.

will continue? it's been strait down all year

i would like to see it recover

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