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Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

I just wish it was done earlier and more cheaply during otherwise good times.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

A key driver to inflation is that wages for lower-income workers was finally starting to rise.

Tanking the economy will hurt these people the most. But yes, inflation would flatten.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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In fairness, inflation seems largely driven by energy prices, which in turn are driven by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not the top event I'd imagine a bank predicting well.

Agree the Russian invasion doesn't help matters... but this is not the primary cause of inflation. The amount of money that the US has simply created and spent in last couple of years in unprecedented. The amount of money inserted into the US economy dwarfs that of the TARPP and related bailouts of 2008 by a factor of 4. You just cannot create and hand out that much cash in an economy and not expect inflation.

If you think the dollar is worth less then no doubt that's reflected in say gold prices, which were between 1600 and 1900 from July 2011 to April 2013.

They are currently 1800.

If all that extra money had devalued fiat currencies globally (at roughly the same value), why hasn't gold increased?

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It seems the Fed is stuck in a state of overreaction. First they overshoot on money printing, then they disregard early signs of inflation, and now they're in a panic in the opposite direction. Seeing the news this week that Bernanke said that the Fed should be able to pull off a soft-landing now in 2022 gave me an uncomfortable déjà vu -- he said the same in 2006 and 2007, right before he raised rates enough to kick…

In fairness, inflation seems largely driven by energy prices, which in turn are driven by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not the top event I'd imagine a bank predicting well.

Energy prices which have LATELY, MAYBE, been driven by failed attempt of the US applying sanctions to Russia over the invasion of Ukraine.

Reminder: https://www.csis.org/analysis/biden-makes-sweeping-changes-o...

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In fairness, inflation seems largely driven by energy prices, which in turn are driven by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not the top event I'd imagine a bank predicting well.

then why was the administration dismissing it as temporary before the invasion? inflation was clearly caused by injecting trillions into the economy for "covid" slush funds. as far as energy goes, we were net exporters until the federal restrictions started coming in, only then did we start relying on foreign production. blaming your domestic problems on a foreign adversary is routine, but it's not accurate, helpful,…

> inflation was clearly caused by injecting trillions into the economy for "covid"

Yes, that juiced the demand side. At the same time, the supply side was kneecapped by shutdowns and other "mitigation" measures. More money + fewer available goods.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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Something I haven’t seen discussed much is the impact of inflation on the existing federal debt.

This is actually a positive for taxpayers as the federal debt will become cheaper. Obviously we’re still spending a ton and are issuing debt at higher rates now, so it’s not some kind of magic cure or anything.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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> Seniors, should reap the benefits of higher bank savings rates after years of piddling returns. Not to any significant degree. Bank rates won't come close to offsetting the effect of inflation. The big winner will be the IRS, as intended. .

How does IRS win here?

I assume capital gains on the increase in nominal value. The government gets a cut of that. Kinda acts like a wealth tax.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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In fairness, inflation seems largely driven by energy prices, which in turn are driven by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not the top event I'd imagine a bank predicting well.

Get out a calendar. Look at when the inflation started (last fall!). Then look at when the Ukraine war started. Has the Ukraine war made the inflation problem worse? Yes. Did it cause the problem? Absolutely not!

Thanks you, +1. If we don't take responsibility for our own problems, to me that spells trouble.

I don't intend to pile on against President Biden, but his recent speech before the labor union sounded like a kid blaiming the dog for eating his homework, when he never did his homework.

I will probably make a bunch of people here mad at me, but there is so much to blame on both political parties. Putting Wall Street's and the War Industry's interests unapologetically before the American public's interests can only go on for so long before everything crashes.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, inflation seems largely driven by energy prices, which in turn are driven by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not the top event I'd imagine a bank predicting well.

Agree the Russian invasion doesn't help matters... but this is not the primary cause of inflation. The amount of money that the US has simply created and spent in last couple of years in unprecedented. The amount of money inserted into the US economy dwarfs that of the TARPP and related bailouts of 2008 by a factor of 4. You just cannot create and hand out that much cash in an economy and not expect inflation.

I'm not convinced. I agree that Russia/Ukraine is not the main driver of inflation (certainly isn't helping, though), but I would look more toward supply chain shortages than money-printing. Prices go up when things are hard to find but the demand is still there -- not exactly grad-level econ.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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no one here buys the 'putin price hike' excuse

I was blown away when the president claimed he "has never seen anything like Putin’s tax on both food and gas". When did Putin get the ability to raise taxes in the US??

Bidens desperate to reframe the narrative that Dems fucked the economy before the midterms. I dont think this is going to work tho. Voters dont have enough understanding to see the cascade failures that have gotten us here over the last several years.
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