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Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Incredible! I have a couple of old Macs lying around and it's a dream of mine to write a native app for them that does something modern, like a way to control spotify of something. Thanks for linking

I’ve been learning as well, found this book to be pretty helpful https://archive.org/details/macintoshprogram00mark

Wow, I had completely forgotten about that book - was excellent for its time.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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> So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? That's easy: not everyone agrees they're regressions.

They clearly are regressions because they confuse many people and make a worse use of the same screen area. Also what are the problems being solved by these redesigns and rearrangements? What was solved by going flat in 10.9 -> 10.10? What was solved by going even flatter, and using the dreaded SF Symbols icons everywhere, in 10.15 -> 11.0? It's a done product — it's been one for quite a while. Could they just stop m…

> What was solved by going flat in 10.9 -> 10.10?

Why are people so eager to go back to a system where you have to hire an artist who knows how to make 1000 inner bevels so you can have any custom controls or app icons?

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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> It seems the aim is now to make all computing feel fun and friendly The weird part is most current attempts of this are actually really bad at it past initial surface appearances. Minimalist and “content-first’ UIs look great in screenshots and I guess they prevent new users from getting overwhelmed, but they also hide all the features in a way I find quite hostile. We have an absolute wealth of pixels in our displ…

I dread the day the menubar disappears...

Can you imagine if they changed it so that you had to get those actions by doing a 5 finger swipe while hovering over an app (on the trackpad) or clicking 3 times while moving diagonally across?

Ugh I hate gestures. Such a stupid stupid non-intuitive stupid practice.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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>IIRC Apple doesn't do user testing because they know better. Citation needed... >The new designs break Apple's own HIGs and other recommendations like WCAG. You may have missed it, but they redid that HIG and released it during the latest WWDC. This train has left the station and it ain't backin' up. >Keyboard access is being removed or broken across all first-party apps. How about you... list some of these apps? I'…

> You may have missed it, but they redid that HIG and released it during the latest WWDC. They didn't redo it, they redesigned it. All the recommendations they are breaking are still there. > How about you... list some of these apps? I've been using macOS since Snow Leopard and all my muscle memory on the keyboard still works. Except Messages all of their new first party apps have horrible to no keyboard access: Home…

>They didn't redo it, they redesigned it.

My point is that they have clearly acknowledged it's a thing and that it matters.

>Music

I really don't get your point here... I'm listening to Music right now and just spent a few minutes trying to use the keyboard. I don't really feel unable to do so.

>How can it be less constrained when they literally crammed toolbar items into less space and redesigned dialog to be narrow? :)

The dialog that they're... expanding in Ventura? Where they acknowledged it should be bigger for certain cases? I've not been bothered by it in Big Sur/Monterey otherwise since most apps (understandably) aren't cramming shit in there anyway.

You're welcome to dislike change, I just think you're really stretching here.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…

> (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) To be fair they did come awfully close to that point before Steve came back and reinvigorated the place. That sentiment was not entirely misplaced at the time.

I definitely remember those awful days in the 90s. Escape Velocity made them less painful though :p

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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i reminds more of gnome tbh post big-sur, at least dark-theme, the overall ui looks very much like gnome in many ways...

And modern Gnome is also terrible because they insist on supporting touchscreens as first-class input devices at the expense of sanely sized controls for the remaining 95% of users.

yea, i suppose that is the common theme between the two... at least it would explain a lot...

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…

Now they just need to bring back wild eep and sosumi.

Am I the only one with memories of clicking it over and over again: "eep!,eep!,eep!,eep!,eep!"?

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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Frankly, the icon grid was arranged somewhat arbitrarily to begin with. I'd be quite happy to have a largely-alphabetical list, making it much easier to actually find the specific preference pane I'm looking for.

I'm still running OS X (10.11, El Capitan), but System Preferences under that OS had a View menu option Organize Alphabetically. That was present in many (all?) versions of OS X. I don't know if/when that may have been removed.

Well I'll be darned. I never noticed that. Thanks!

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around w…

I don't entirely disagree, but I think it is worth noting that there was still quite a bit of playfulness in the UX even in the transition to O SX. There are tons of animation and icon secrets as detailed here: http://mewbies.com/easter_eggs_and_then_some.htm#macx Further, using traffic lights for window control icons, the magnification effect in the dock, inclusions of the genie and suck window minimize animations, the iTunes visualizer, (still present in Music.app) the cartoon "poof" animation whenever toolbar icons are dragged out and removed...these are all fun features and secrets that are new or at least persisted into the transition to OS X (not to mention the FreeBSD cal and emacs easter eggs). Some were lost when OS X 10.10 released, or when macOS 11 released, but now here with inclusions like Clarus, I think it is obvious that this culture of fun is not lost.

Re: Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

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>the placement of the apple logo in the middle of the menu bar. wait, what? when did this happen? I do not have any memory of the Apple logo being anywhere other than the upper left hand corner of the menu bar. I do however remember the G3 PowerBooks with lit logo on the lid that was UPSIDE DOWN when open and in use

I think it was only in the 10.0 beta: https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/1h39-png.780020/ But I've been wrong before! At least twice.

Did they dig up the code for positioning the menu items around that icon to use it for the notch? :D
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