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Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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On the other hand, that advice would have killed off Tesla and SpaceX at least 15 years ago.

We can dream.

What's up with the weird Elon hate recently? I don't care for the guy one way or another, but it's just bizarre. Plus, I have friends that worked for both Tesla and SpaceX and from what I hear, apart from being big and corporate-y, it's a pretty awesome place to be at.

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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A great quote sticks in my mind, shared with me by a founder who was going through hard times with his startup. The company was going through a bad spot, and one of his investors suggested just giving up and returning the existing capital to the investors. An advisor then said:

"It's not their money anymore. Don't you dare give up."

He didn't, he persevered, and the company had a fine outcome years later. I would not blindly follow OP's advice.

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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What about the classic story of the AirBnB founders pivoting from selling cereal? It seems like the metric for whether you decide to pivot or shut down depends on how many rounds you've done and how many employees you have. Early on, couple of founders & handful of employees: maybe do whatever pivots you can to survive. If you're a big boat and pivoting will require firing 80% your staff and starting an entirely diff…

But selling repackaged cereal in cutesy boxes was never Airbnb’s long term plan. Can it be called a pivot at that point?

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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Simply watching ‘Dragon’s Den’ will reveal how ludicrously passionate people are about some of the worst ideas.

I don’t really agree with the article, though. If it’s not achieving the results you want, it doesn’t inherently mean it’s a bad idea.

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP here. I think i mixed the message too much by putting pivots in the same category as founder transitions and down-rounds. Pivots are fine. But when you're basically just starting over on a completely new business with less money and a demoralized team, your likelihood of success is significantly impaired. Successful pivots need to carry ~something~ over of value

Yes. Letting them start over on something completely different is indulging sunk-cost fallacy. People were hired on the strength of being able to build X. If they are not who you would have picked to build Y, then getting them building Y anyway means you start out with a broken leg.

On the other hand, if the team works well together, maybe they would actually be good at building something different?

It seems like this will vary significantly depending on the team and the new plan. How valuable is it, really, to keep this team together?

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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You can also lose face by doing what article suggests, which is "quitting". investors want a return on their money. They believe in your idea and management can make it happen. If management is no longer on board, what's to prevent investors from finding new management? Of course, easier said than done and depends on company stage. The downside (some risk capital) is small for an investor compared to the upside they're looking for, or that you're promising.

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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A great quote sticks in my mind, shared with me by a founder who was going through hard times with his startup. The company was going through a bad spot, and one of his investors suggested just giving up and returning the existing capital to the investors. An advisor then said: "It's not their money anymore. Don't you dare give up." He didn't, he persevered, and the company had a fine outcome years later. I would not…

> They shouldn’t go through down-rounds, cap table restructurings, multiple major pivots, or team transitions. After all that, is it even the same company? No. They should just shut down and start over.

The article is talking about pivots not a lack perseverance ...

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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For those who (like me) didn't get the reference, the "Ship of Theseus" is a thought problem about whether, if every part of the ship has individually been replaced, it remains the Ship of Theseus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

One of my favorite ones. It comes to "identity". What does it mean to "be" (or not to be)?

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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pretty dumb article in my opinion. Part of being a good entrepreneur is struggling through hard times and figuring out a way to survive and make shit work when things aren't going well. If you follow this articles advice and quit at the first sign of trouble you won't get very far.

Re: If it isn't going to work, just shut it down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can dream.

What's up with the weird Elon hate recently? I don't care for the guy one way or another, but it's just bizarre. Plus, I have friends that worked for both Tesla and SpaceX and from what I hear, apart from being big and corporate-y, it's a pretty awesome place to be at.

He’s of the wrong tribe now it seems
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