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Stanford’s war on social life

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What has this got to do with multiculturalism? Did the non-white male students call for these changes, or is it part of the corporate agenda of disrupting strong social networks and bonds?

I think the implication is that multiculturalism is very hard to get right, and that one solution to it is to be very careful all the time. This leads to a sort of vague blandness that has become more prominent in the Bay area over the past few years. If you don't want to be cancelled, just don't say potentially controversial things.

The thing with unique, interesting group identities (like in Stanford social groups) is that they will, invariably, offend and push some people's boundaries. This over the years has been viewed more and more negatively (as a solution to multiculturalism imho). When cancellations abound and price of offense is high, just make everything as neutral as possible. 580, 610, 113, whatever.

But people's souls get slowly sucked out of them.

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From what I know, this wasn't about multiculturalism and SJW-style "equity" and more about destroying any and all student groups that showed a modicum of independence from the administration line. Though I wouldn't be surprised if someone at some point mouthed some SJW platitudes, since that's a cover for everything nowadays.

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Linked from the article: https://us9.campaign-archive.com/?u=c9d7a555374df02a66219b57... Details on the cancellation of the JV marching band.

Are there specific details about what the band did?

The report is withheld, and the statute of limitations ignored, so it's likely to be something mundane that couldn't really get them into trouble if shown in broad daylight

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I spent 3 years living in one of the co-ops briefly mentioned in the article ("In 2013, the administration took over the student-run anarchist house and painted over the old murals."). I wouldn't call it an "anarchist house" but it sure as hell was a lot of fun to live there. I painted some of those murals that are now apparently gone. We built a giant illegal loft in our room to make it two stories (which we would disassemble for a day every year when the fire inspection happened). We did some stupid and illegal shit, sure. But the sense of community was unparalleled. The alumni association owned the house, so we had to deal with all the maintenance. We came back to campus a week before everyone else every year to work on the house. We cooked and cleaned for ourselves. I've never since experienced anything close to that same feeling of communal pride. It was a mess, but it was our beautiful mess.

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I read the whole article, and it seems to be entirely about the push to remove Greek / Frat / Sorority life from campus and convert these houses to more traditional dorms. I know that some people who got a lot out of Greek Life equate it with Social Life, but most college students don't pledge/rush and it doesn't get in the way of social life. There are plenty of ways to socialize without frats.

Most of the houses affected weren't Greek. Many were themed houses oriented around a particular experience: an Italian dorm, a Slavic dorm, a... druggie co-op, for lack of a better phrasing.

Re: Stanford’s war on social life

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I read the whole article, and it seems to be entirely about the push to remove Greek / Frat / Sorority life from campus and convert these houses to more traditional dorms. I know that some people who got a lot out of Greek Life equate it with Social Life, but most college students don't pledge/rush and it doesn't get in the way of social life. There are plenty of ways to socialize without frats.

The point being made is not that the Greek system is being pushed out and that worsens the social atmosphere. It's that Stanford is losing its atypical social community (which includes not only the Greek system but also co-ops), and that will hurt the uniqueness and advantage of Stanford as a breeding ground for interesting thinkers.

Not to mention these are just symptoms, there are more problematic things that are not ostensible.

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Linked from the article: https://us9.campaign-archive.com/?u=c9d7a555374df02a66219b57... Details on the cancellation of the JV marching band.

Are there specific details about what the band did?

From the main article:

> Stanford’s decision to sanction the Band was a sign of things to come. ... Once, the Band mocked Stanford’s rivals with crass marching formations; today, the Band designs all their pranks based on pre-approved themes from the university and clears the final plans with a panel of administrators.

> The University sent a clear message with its treatment of the Band. Spontaneous organizations, particularly when they could become chaotic, controversial, or otherwise a space for breaking rules, were now something to be controlled. Rather than treating freedom and spontaneity as strengths, the dynamic became one where students had to justify their projects and ideas while under suspicion from administrators. Student life was becoming dominated by restrictive bureaucracy.

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I think I'm close to an outside observer - I didn't go to Stanford and don't have a dog in that fight, as the saying goes. I don't trust the conclusions of this article.

It starts with a story about a frat which filled their building's first floor with sand, so much that they had to rent a bulldozer to relocate it to the campus lake. Then they call the Stanford admins killjoys for not supporting it. But... of course Stanford wouldn't support that! That would try anyone's patience.

What kind of impact does dumping all that sand have? What about running the bulldozer over the Stanford campus? What if someone is injured by the bulldozer? I wouldn't trust teenagers renting an after-party bulldozer who never cleared that with anyone, never notified anyone, and have no proof of training.

Then, the article talks about Stanford letting the lake "go dry." I live in California and I can tell you what happened: the drought. There's a killer drought, nonessential water use is discouraged, and a manmade lake in a little-used corner of a campus is the definition of nonessential. Stanford did the right thing by not artificially pumping it up. There's no malice involved; a lake like that, in 2022, is destined to dry up.

So based on those things, I don't think I can trust the article to be taking a balanced, sensible position. My "middle of the road" position wold be that, yes, sometimes adventurous college kids can get away with something - once in a while. But over the long term, it's the institution's job to prevent one-off events from turning into ongoing disaster generators.

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