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Post by jmyeet »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #209
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #199

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No one seems willing to say it out loud, but the reason we can't fire all the police at once is that they will retaliate by looting and killing civilians. This was one of the mistakes the US made after invading iraq, and also a problem the roman empire kept running into in its later years.

The National guard is adequately equipped, trained and funded to put down an armed revolt of obese and unemployed police larpers.

The National Guard is however a state institution. You’d need the Texas Governor (in this case) to order it deployed. I V wouldn’t hold your breath. It’s more likely this is a job for the Feds.

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Post by dylan604 »

jiocrag wrote: post #182
zackees wrote: post #112

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We live in a surveillance society now. This individual that attacked the school wasn’t operating in stealth: he let his murderious intentions be known on social media. The choice now is whether to believe that law enforcement at the local and federal level simply turned a blind eye, or they knew and helped guide this individual to action in order to use the public reaction to advance the gun control agenda. And while…

Sir, this is a Wendy’s. Seriously though — you’re arguing this is a conspiracy to increase gun control, in which a local Texas PD is complicit? The United States is false flagging us into increased gun control by sanctioning the murder of little kids? That’s pretty bonkers.

It sounds exactly like what Alex Jones would say. It sounds exactly like what happened after pretty much every other event like this.

Yes, there are people that 100% believe this. They have drunk the whole damn pitcher of kool-aid

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Post by krapp »

jmyeet wrote: post #206
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one seems willing to say it out loud, but the reason we can't fire all the police at once is that they will retaliate by looting and killing civilians. This was one of the mistakes the US made after invading iraq, and also a problem the roman empire kept running into in its later years.

The threat of violence against the populace they're meant to protect isn't a reason not to disband that police department. It is however a reason to call in the FBI and, if necessary, deploy the Army so you can make anyone so inclined to rot in a prison cell.

Isn't this supposed to be where all those good men with guns we keep paying a blood-price for step in and shoot the bad men with guns?

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Post by krolden »

QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #199
ncmncm wrote: post #176

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What would be a reasonable outcome? Firing all of the current PD staff seems like a great first step. Trick is, do you hire more in their place, and how do you pick them?

No one seems willing to say it out loud, but the reason we can't fire all the police at once is that they will retaliate by looting and killing civilians. This was one of the mistakes the US made after invading iraq, and also a problem the roman empire kept running into in its later years.

So many parallels with the fall of the roman empire the USA has.

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Post by woodruffw »

throw0101a wrote: post #34

Meh: > [the videos] just show the parking lot. how is that useful * https://twitter.com/darth/status/1536387368101416961

Videos establish a chronology, and precise locations for each officer. Even if it's an hour of them sitting on their hands, it's important (and rightfully public) evidence.

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Post by hackflip »

kube-system wrote: post #66
jjulius wrote: post #47

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If you don't want to find yourself in harm's way, don't become a police officer. Legally required or not, they knew the risks when they signed up, they knew what they were trained to do, and then they... didn't.

This is just unreasonable. Humans have a natural desire to preserve their own lives. First responders aren't any different. The idea that first responders are superheros is a fallacious trope. The vast majority of police never use their gun over their entire career.

No post body was provided.

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Post by jjulius »

kube-system wrote: post #197
jjulius wrote: post #137

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I'd rather someone be crucified for fucking up than for not doing anything at all, in this instance. Time is a massive factor in these situations, and time was massively wasted.

> I'd rather someone be crucified for fucking up The "someone" might have a little more skin in the game than you do, though.

Then - again - that "someone" shouldn't have taken the job if they weren't prepared for the risks.

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Post by jrs235 »

sangnoir wrote: post #141
donmcronald wrote: post #48

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I think the problem is that no one wants to take the blame for being wrong or unprepared and the media won't pass up an opportunity to sensationalize mistakes as incompetency, maliciousness, etc.. I wish more of the world could function like the culture adopted by the western airline industry where every incident and investigation is treated as an opportunity to learn and improve the system rather than an opportunity…

> I think the problem is that no one wants to take the blame for being wrong or unprepared and the media won't pass up an opportunity to sensationalize mistakes as incompetency, maliciousness,etc So, is it going to be Law and Order for thee, paid suspensions and additional training for me?

I wish people would realize that Law and Order is different from Orderly Justice. Law and Order allows immoral laws and actions so long as they are codified in law and the "Order" from following the law can lead to injustice. Orderly Justice means there are procedures in place to ensure order while pursuing justice. Sometimes we get ticked off at how long it takes (look at all the process and time (and delays) involved in trying to determine the truth and ensure justice around Jan. 6th).

In this case I believe a [grand] jury of peers would have found had the officers gone in and just taken the suspect out, they would have been justified.

Sadly we have more and more of a Law and Order society than an Orderly Justice one.

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Post by kube-system »

jjulius wrote: post #217
kube-system wrote: post #197

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> I'd rather someone be crucified for fucking up The "someone" might have a little more skin in the game than you do, though.

Then - again - that "someone" shouldn't have taken the job if they weren't prepared for the risks.

First responders don’t, and never have, taken on unlimited risk, they take on calculated risks.

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Post by squarefoot »

jjulius wrote: post #132
WaxProlix wrote: post #42

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There's an outside chance it's even worse than what we know now - maybe they killed a kid or two, or did something otherwise more shameful than expected.

I mean, they kinda-sorta already did... >“When the cops came, the cop said: ‘Yell if you need help!’ And one of the persons in my class said ‘help.’ The guy overheard and he came in and shot her,” the boy said. “The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.” The police got a student killed, according to the survivor’s story. https://www.vox.com/2022/5/27/23143997/the-uval…

"Other parents were pinned to the ground, pepper sprayed, or tasered, said Gomez, who said she managed to run into the school and save her child after convincing the officers to uncuff her."

Seriously... WTF! If only they showed the same balls when dealing with the gunman.

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