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Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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post #173

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Note that Mozilla has nothing to do with Thunderbird anymore. They abandoned Thunderbird and it's a totally separate community project these days.

P=P is based on K-9 and had a material design UI long before K-9 had it. Postbox is based on Thunderbird with a more modern UI, but its Windows and macOS only (does work in Wine). I stick with FairEmail on Android for now. Its completely FOSS and in active development.

I've seen P=P (or pEp) and even used it, but I've never heard anyone mention it till now. Visually it's clear its a fork of K9, but you can't find any trace of that on their website or repo (it's self hosted). Seems to be no community around it, while it seems a solid choice, especially if you use openpgp. Have you used it?

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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I don't think features such as Web USB, Web Bluetooth are privacy invasive. Chrome's huge market share is the very reason Firefox isn't trying very hard here. They are playing catch up. Take Manifest v3 for example; Chrome introduced it quite a while ago and made it mandatory for new extensions in 2022. Firefox just started catching up. This is bad for Firefox because developers will eventually (and some still do) wi…

You are misinformed. Firefox had their own implementations of WebUSB and WebBluetooth years and years ago -- they were necessary for FirefoxOS. Deprecating and removing them was a conscious decision because the privacy risks were deemed too great. This is also the case for Manifest v3; Mozilla is trying to determine the 'safe' (i.e. user-friendly) characteristics to implement and ways to mitigate the rest. Some parts…

The security model used in Firefox OS to gate access to these APIs was very different. We never exposed these web bluetooth to the web at large, only to signed apps.

Mozilla needs to step up and find ways to expose such APIs though, because they are useful. Just saying "no" without proposing a solution is a sure way to lose. There's a bit of hope recently with the implementation of WebMIDI in Gecko.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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K-9 has served me pretty well over the last 8ish years. It has remained beautifully lightweight (quite an exception for apps nowadays) and the biggest (yet perfectly tolerable) annoyance has been long lines not wrapping automatically. I'm 9/10 sceptic about this cooperation and I'll be positively surprised if the future versions do not introduce lots of unnecessary bloat.

Ah, here it's already announced, the bloat: > Account setup using Thunderbird account auto-configuration. Perfectly unnecessary. > Syncing between desktop and mobile Thunderbird. Duh, what exactly does IMAP do? *shakes head*

Thunderbird auto-config just means a domain lookup in a database though (even better would be that everybody configures .well-known correctly).

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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post #205

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I've just learned (one benefit of not automatically updating everything) that the app I've used for syncing music from iTunes to my Android phone [1] plus the associated music player app have been sold to some unscrupulous developers who have apparently proceeded to immediately re-add ads into the paid-for (!) versions, re-adding the the file sync limits that originally only applied to the free trial version and thin…

Is it iSyncr + Rocket Player? I am in the same boat if so. Have the paid versions and don't see ads at the moment, but the "Rate Me" popups are a bad sign.

Good guess, yes. :-) From a brief look it seems that these days (I don't think it was around when I first looked a few years ago) MusicBee instead of iTunes on desktop and GoneMAD Music Player might work as a similar combo with bi-directional play count and ratings sync (although I've found somebody saying that this didn't actually work on a latest Android version [1], so hmm...), but it seems the podcasts handling might not work as it currently does.

The problem is that while I don't need the podcasts syncing for regular podcasts (for which a separate podcasts app on my phone would be perfectly fine, and besides I don't listen all that much to podcasts that way anyway), I'm also managing my collection of radio comedies I've scrounged together from all sorts of places as podcasts in iTunes (by simply manually setting the media type to "Podcast" – luckily on Windows, where iTunes hasn't been split up into its components this is still possible), so that

a) they're all together in one place and not cluttering up the music part of my library

b) especially to get the nice at-a-glance listened/not listened/partially listened display, and

c) while iTunes allows setting the "Remember my playback position" for any kind of file, Rocket Player apparently supports remembering the playback position only for podcasts

I've got no idea how GoneMAD and MusicBee's file syncing behave in that regard, but a quick test installation of MusicBee showed that while I could get used to it as an iTunes-replacement for my general music library, it doesn't allow manually importing files as podcasts, meaning I'd have to resort either manually hacking the database, or setting up some sort of fake Podcast running on a local HTTP server in order to import new episodes... :-/

At least for now the old versions will keep working, and if some future Android version does break things, I guess I'll decide what to do about it in terms of a replacement at that time and not now…

Though I guess it does mean that my personal main bug in iSyncr [2] won't ever get fixed now, so maybe I need to resort to APK hacking after all…

[1] Which is how I found out about iSyncr + Rocket Player having been sold in the first place.

[2] After a file has been synced, it won't be synced again if any subsequent changes that don't change either of title/artist/album (or possibly file size, but due to metadata padding small metadata changes won't necessarily change the total file size) happen within 24 hours [3] of the original sync.

[3] I think this is trying to work around the fact that Android reports the file timestamps in local time, so due to either travel or even just summer/winter time a file might suddenly appear as outdated as compared to the last modified timestamp on the desktop. As my desktop with my music library, is in a fixed location, for me 24 hours is excessive, though, and 1 hour to cater for summer/winter time would be enough.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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You realize it is the same developer and can leave thunderbird whenever he is not happy with the direction it takes?

Yeah but they cannot take Thunderbird mobile back. Its now Mozilla property, which is the actual scary part.

Thunderbird mobile will be open source, so they, or anybody else can fork it, and continue development independently of Mozilla, using a different brand. It will not be "Mozilla property".

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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It's still part of mozilla the company and has a special advantage in that they can actually receive donations directly, unlike the browser project.

Though they aren't tax deductible. So I wonder how much they actually get. Having decided to just look while writing this comment, apparently it was a couple million last year? Which doesn't seem bad.

Yeah, the 3 million that Thunderbird specifically got in donations last year is absurd. I suspect it’s more than any other user-facing non profit open source application.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Looks like it's time to switch to FairEmail. Been K-9 user for a decade, even when development was slow, I love it. Was a Thunderbird user also, meh. It's OK I guess.

Now I can look forward to Mozilla's abysmal stewardship and a bunch of senseless UI changes that aren't good UX, just because they're new, and broken workflows. I think I'll pass. I'm sure the maintainer agreed to an acquihire it for good reasons, good on him, but I'm not interested in using Mozilla products anymore.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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I'm continually creeped out by all the PR sugarcoating on what essentially are simple notices of acquisition. So all this is in effect saying is that K9 got acquired by Mozilla and will be integrated into the suite of Mozilla products. The justification given in the post is just non-information, because you could say this for almost any pair of software products if you define the terms fuzzily enough: > The Thunderbi…

Thunderbird Product Manager here. We have no intention to replace the backend or most of the components. It will not be a different app. It's still run by the K-9 project maintainer. The difference? We didn't want to see K-9 die because of a lack of funding, and our visions were aligned - so it made sense to work together. That's it. Thunderbird is community run (unlike Firefox, our community representatives approve…

Just take care that K-9 development doesn't get bogged down in well meant feature ports/unifications that end up being negative value for anyone who isn't fully committed to running their entire life through Thunderbird and K-9, in the most synchronized way. For example the not really in scope but also not really out of scope nature of calendar in Thunderbird should better not spread to K-9 I think (as someone who has never used K-9, but is on Thunderbird since Communicator 4). But if you succeed avoiding that pitfall, if it's really just "we would love to do something on mobile, but we would hate to steal attention from K-9", then it's certainly just applaudable lack of NIH, nice!

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Still a far ways from having "nothing to do" with it

Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation are not the same thing.

To clarify, the comment in question was

> Note that Mozilla has nothing to do with Thunderbird anymore.

which fails to claim anything about the Mozilla Foundation or Corporation in particular.

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