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Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

#141
Neat. Something for me to fall back on in case FairEmail guy decides to take his ball and go home again.

I've recently started maining Seamonkey as a browser. It has a better UX than all of the big ones -- especially Chrome but even Firefox isn't so great anymore. The Mozilla spinoff projects have lots to recommend them, now that Mozilla is more an outreach organization than a software development organization.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Not thrilled. I use K9 and I don't really want Thunderbird to have anything to do with it :/

You realize it is the same developer and can leave thunderbird whenever he is not happy with the direction it takes?

Yeah but they cannot take Thunderbird mobile back. Its now Mozilla property, which is the actual scary part.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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As a Thunderbird and K-9 user this is 51% good news and 49% possibly bad new. Good news because it should increase the chances that the two products will live a longer life. Possibly bad news because I'm one of the crowd that went back to K-9 5.600 because the new version destroyed the UI that was the primary reason why we picked K-9 over other apps. 100% self selection bias here. There was maybe an ongoing effort to…

Given how SMS on Android is basically just a database that's shared between all SMS apps... it does seem like there should be an email equivalent. Not having to plug my password into every email app would be a good thing. Or does IMAP cover that sufficiently well, e.g. not requiring duplicating a ton of data? I haven't dug into the spec before, I've just always used it with "download everything all the time" configs,…

So that more apps can snoop on your email? Why would you want to use more than one email-app for the same accounts? (I get that you might want to use the gmail app for a gmail account, but then using the same account in K9 doesn't make much sense to me)

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Mozilla has nothing to do with Thunderbird anymore. They abandoned Thunderbird and it's a totally separate community project these days.

It's still part of mozilla the company and has a special advantage in that they can actually receive donations directly, unlike the browser project.

Though they aren't tax deductible. So I wonder how much they actually get.

Having decided to just look while writing this comment, apparently it was a couple million last year? Which doesn't seem bad.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

#145

Does anyone know how to make gmail play nice with K-9 or FairEmail? Gmail keeps asking me to log in through a browser on my phone, and authorize almost every log in attempt, and not all authorizations are accepted! When I log in into my gmail account on a computer and authorize the "suspect" log ins, gmail still refuses (8/10 times) to allow use through 3rd party apps. My experience with 3rd party email apps has been…

On FairEmail, GMail via OAuth works fine for me :tm:. On K-9, for now you are going to have to enable 2FA on your google account, then create an app password for K-9 to use. A future version of K-9 will enable OAuth.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

#146
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this proves Firefox is dying. A better indicator would be Chrome's past decade of 90%+ browser market share. It's also worth noting that a good amount of the features not implemented in Firefox are either Chrome-specific experiments, or features purposefully unimplemented for privacy purposes. If anything, it shows the damage of a browser-tech monopoly which Edge and Brave aren't helping with.

I don't think features such as Web USB, Web Bluetooth are privacy invasive. Chrome's huge market share is the very reason Firefox isn't trying very hard here. They are playing catch up. Take Manifest v3 for example; Chrome introduced it quite a while ago and made it mandatory for new extensions in 2022. Firefox just started catching up. This is bad for Firefox because developers will eventually (and some still do) wi…

You are misinformed. Firefox had their own implementations of WebUSB and WebBluetooth years and years ago -- they were necessary for FirefoxOS. Deprecating and removing them was a conscious decision because the privacy risks were deemed too great. This is also the case for Manifest v3; Mozilla is trying to determine the 'safe' (i.e. user-friendly) characteristics to implement and ways to mitigate the rest. Some parts of v3 directly conflict with Firefox architecture. As an example, v3 requires service workers, while Firefox permits entirely disabling them.

The overarching theme of your writing on this topic is that Chrome can just spit out Web 'features' at random and unless Firefox implements all of them immediately it is dying. I hope you can try to understand that not only is this not an accurate assessment, but maybe also that Firefox has value beyond being a copy of Chrome.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

#147
Speaking only for myself, I would LOVE to get away from Microsoft Outlook. As I've alluded elsewhere [1], there are some key functions that are needed:

- Full encryption integrated into the client for all data (e.g., I don't want Windows Search able to index the mail so someone has access when the client is closed/unencrypted; I also remember testing Thunderbird years ago and was able to go into the individual unencrypted .eml files [I think that's what they were] and read the messages without having Thunderbird opened)

- Full local sync with Android/iPhone (i.e., home WiFi, Bluetooth, or USB cable); it still amazes me that Thunderbird still doesn't have this built-in

- Xobni-like functionality (e.g., showing all emails and attachments to/from sender when clicking on an email, keyword searches); yes, I know the plugin is still available but it doesn't work properly with current Outlook versions (and no plugin like this exists for Thunderbird)

But if the upgraded K-9 also got other integrated Thunderbird functionality (e.g., calendar, contacts, tasks), that would be especially amazing as I could then move away from Google (which I'd also LOVE to do). For example, the Notes field in Google's base Contacts app is limited to 1000 characters. That means I can only sync Outlook to Android one-way (else I lose longer notes when they sync back).

To be able to move away from Microsoft and Google to open source... now that's a future worth dreaming about.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31683214#31686186

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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post #143
post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how SMS on Android is basically just a database that's shared between all SMS apps... it does seem like there should be an email equivalent. Not having to plug my password into every email app would be a good thing. Or does IMAP cover that sufficiently well, e.g. not requiring duplicating a ton of data? I haven't dug into the spec before, I've just always used it with "download everything all the time" configs,…

So that more apps can snoop on your email? Why would you want to use more than one email-app for the same accounts ? (I get that you might want to use the gmail app for a gmail account, but then using the same account in K9 doesn't make much sense to me)

As far as I understand, there is still exclusive access to 1 app at a time, it's just that the accounts and sending/receiving is handled by the OS, and apps call into the OS to do operations, rather than maintaining their own credential stores and talking POP/IMAP/whatever directly to servers.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

#149

Long time Thunderbird in Linux user, had to switch to Mutt a few months ago. Having 3 inboxes configured was taking, for some reason, +10Gb of disk and several Gb of RAM, plus being painfully slow and freeze pretty often.

With several 10s of thousands of messages (~70 GB) in my accounts, I also had issues with TB using tons of disk space even when set to not copy messages locally. The issue was TB's global search index. If you disable global search indexing in your config, then manually delete the global-messages-db.sqlite file, you can free up those 10+ GB.

My fix for most annoyances was to copy mail locally, and run dovecot locally on the same box as TB (TB doesn't support standard maildir). I also added a wrapper script that does a VACUUM on all the sqlite dbs in the profile when starting TB.

With the above, TB has worked well for me.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

#150
I hope there will be no integration with sponsored providers in K-9. I remember I switched to sylpheed when I figured out Thunderbird was establishing connections to DropBox and promoting it for sharing large files.

Perhaps it wasn't DropBox but something else ... Perhaps I'm even making this up (although I don't think so). I've always wanted to know more about this promotion of a filesharing service in Thunderbird, so if anyone knows anything about this, please reply (:

AFAIR it was a preinstalled extension on Thunderbird from Debian.

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