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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by seanw444 »

em1sar wrote: post #188

This will be a huge disaster, I work for one of the largest car manufacturers in the world and everyone is shitting their pants. Germany the leading "pseudo-green" energy country can't even produce enough green energy for 10% of currently existing electric cars, there's no way on earth to have enough for a electric-car-only scenario til 2035. What are these politicians thinking? The only way they can make this work i…

> What are these politicians thinking?

That what they vote on can simply be. Politicians don't like to think logistics. They exist in another realm, above the common man.

> The only way they can make this work is by going full YOU VILL OWN NOTHING mode and cancel private property as we know it.

Correct. That's been the elite's plan for a long time now, and they're open about it.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by seanw444 »

toyg wrote: post #59
Angostura wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you find it hilarious because you misunderstand its purpose its a bit like me laughing at the US federal government because it can't even put consistent marriage or abortion laws in place across the country. The EU's roots are as a common trading block - it is built around the foundation of a single market, removing barriers to trade across countries. A common defense policy isn't part of that, external borde…

> t is built around the foundation of a single market, removing barriers to trade across countries. Somewhat ironically, that's also the basic principle enshrining the primacy of the US federal government - rules for interstate commerce. The main difference between the US system and EU system is that one was effectively built top-down, and the other bottom-up. At some point, they will likely reach a similar equilibri…

> with US states becoming more and more independent

I can only dream.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by hokkos »

em1sar wrote: post #188

This will be a huge disaster, I work for one of the largest car manufacturers in the world and everyone is shitting their pants. Germany the leading "pseudo-green" energy country can't even produce enough green energy for 10% of currently existing electric cars, there's no way on earth to have enough for a electric-car-only scenario til 2035. What are these politicians thinking? The only way they can make this work i…

you are talking nonsenses : 1,4 million EV in Germany with 15kWh/100km and 15000km/year so using 3,15 TWh a year and producing 160 TWh of renewable electricity in 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country

https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=fr&c=DE...

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by toyg »

seanw444 wrote: post #212
toyg wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> t is built around the foundation of a single market, removing barriers to trade across countries. Somewhat ironically, that's also the basic principle enshrining the primacy of the US federal government - rules for interstate commerce. The main difference between the US system and EU system is that one was effectively built top-down, and the other bottom-up. At some point, they will likely reach a similar equilibri…

> with US states becoming more and more independent I can only dream.

I see it as inevitable. As population grows even in remote areas, the system will have to accept that certain issues are unreconcilable at federal level. Chances are you already know what those issues are, but the list can only grow.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by hokkos »

moravak1984 wrote: post #103

Way too rushed... I don't think there is a clear roadmap for how the required infrastructure and supply chain will work. Definitely no clear understanding on the environmental impact of EVs. Did some pushy Tesla sales reps took senior EU politicians for some cool test rides? Sounds very much like it.

we now have a deep understanding of the environmental impact of EV and it is better on all criteria than fossil cars, there is tons of documentation available on internet showing it, and I know of reports for the French electricity transmission system operator and for the distribution system operator about infrastructure impact.

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Post by natch »

mateo1 wrote: post #122
bambax wrote: post #34

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Yes, that's what I'm thinking too. It's a vicious circle (or maybe a virtuous one?) but once fuel stations start closing in droves it will become very impractical to own a petrol car.

A petrol stations running costs are very low. They break even with 2% margins. Even if they go away, a 2m^3 tank at home will last you for a year or more. And if your typical full tank range of 500-600km is not enough, you can toss a few fuel cans in the trunk and travel across the continent without refueling. The only way ICEs will go away is by hostile legislation, being regulated and taxed to death purely for ideo…

Purely ideological? What do you mean?

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Post by LinuxBender »

moravak1984 wrote: post #103

Way too rushed... I don't think there is a clear roadmap for how the required infrastructure and supply chain will work. Definitely no clear understanding on the environmental impact of EVs. Did some pushy Tesla sales reps took senior EU politicians for some cool test rides? Sounds very much like it.

I am somewhat curious what studies have been done to see if the electric grid in each region can handle what percentage of drivers using fast chargers and how many drivers will be able to charge at home and how many of them are charging off a large solar array whether it be their own or a farm connected to a local substation.

I do not know much about the grid capacity in the various regions of the EU. Here in the US our grid is often pushed to the brink causing mandatory shut-offs in some areas.

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Post by carlmr »

freemint wrote: post #160
carlmr wrote: post #98

>Raimondo noted: "The truth of the matter is that requires a lot of chips. The average electric vehicle has 2,000 chips in one car... one of the manufacturers said they're going to double their chip needs in the next five years. Probably the [combustion engine] car you drive now has hundreds of chips. The EV that we want you to buy over time has 2,000 chips." I hear this repeated all the time. No you don't need hundr…

What makes one think EVs are gonna have much more chips then a comparable ICE? All those pumps, thousands of parts in the ICE, emissions control, transmission will become obsolete. Having a charging controller, an electric motor and battery monitoring is going to he a lot less complicated.

I know, and even in ICE the drivetrain is only a portion of the CPUs. Most do windshield wipers, seat adjustments, darkening mirrors, electronically adjustable mirrors, climate control, Infotainment and all the rest. There's no difference here in EVs.

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Post by [deleted] »

felurx wrote: post #210
em1sar wrote: post #189

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I strongly disagree. This is as close to planned economy as possible. Just that this time the planning organ is a weird hybrid mix of the private and public sector, technically very close to the official definition of of the word "fascism". A marriage of the multinational conglomerates and the globalistic supranational state-esque constructs like the EU.

Genuinely curious: What's the official definition of the word facism, and who gets to set it? I did a surface-level search, and couldn't really find that one definition everybody seems to agree on. One commonality seems to be in having some kind of dictator, and I think that even if your view of the EU was correct, it wouldn't have much to do with a dictatorship.

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Post by namlem »

bionsystem wrote: post #136
hoseja wrote: post #132

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I don't get how everyone is acting like EVs increase energy demands. They are way more efficient than ICEs, it would even be better to switch to EVs and just burn gasoline in big turbine powerplants.

I can't see if you are being sarcastic or not but this is definitely wrong. Burning gasoline to move a car is much more efficient than burning gasoline to produce electricity transported to a charger to charge a car to move a car.

One, power plants don't burn gasoline. Two, ICEs are incredibly inefficient, and burning natural gas in a powerplant and using the electricity to power an EV is absolutely more efficient.
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