Like really, am a European but feels like this is just "giving up"
Also I'm curious how this will play out with the huge economic disparity between the member states (eg Luxemburg vs Bulgaria). People can't afford new cars let alone new electronic cars.
And a cheetah is faster than a tiger. Sorry, I don't understand your point if you have one.
Not going to take a train when I can take a plane (which is not crazy expensive anyway). And as you know, planes are pretty polluting. So not sure that ditching driving to your destination is a positive evolution.
You're not going to take the car when you can take a plane either.
Because everyone will buy the 2035 equivalent of a new Tesla Model 3 instead of a used Nissan Leaf?
Whatever you buy, you better save up for a new battery. That's an issue with electric cars that has not really been solved, afaik. Most batteries will become useless at a rate that is not comparable to critical ICE engine parts, and they continue to be very expensive.
Tesla batteries show remarkably little degradation. Batteries are expected to last the whole life of the vehicle.
India and China: lmao thanks for the free money. Like really, am a European but feels like this is just "giving up" Also I'm curious how this will play out with the huge economic disparity between the member states (eg Luxemburg vs Bulgaria). People can't afford new cars let alone new electronic cars.
Bulgarian here, mentioned in a lower thread as well, it will mean the richer states just export their old (modern) combustion engine cars to the Eastern countries.
I'm seeing a lot of skepticism in the comments here, but electric cars are already superior to their combustion-driven ancestors in most ways. People want to buy them. (Sales are already limited by how fast car makers can increase manufacturing capacity.) What this will do is mostly limit how long car makers can milk their gas/diesel engine making capability.
People want to buy them, but can they afford them?
Would they be expensive at high volume? There's obviously more resource contention for inputs like lithium but even in that case a larger market capacity would drive a lot of larger scale projects.
I'm seeing a lot of skepticism in the comments here, but electric cars are already superior to their combustion-driven ancestors in most ways. People want to buy them. (Sales are already limited by how fast car makers can increase manufacturing capacity.) What this will do is mostly limit how long car makers can milk their gas/diesel engine making capability.
Do you think there will be a ban on combustion engines completely in the future? Hearing the engine roar is something I will miss.
My grandfather thought the 'whoosh'[1] of a steam locomotive's cylinders was wonderful, and thought the diesel and electric locomotives that replaced them were 'soulless'.
But look at the filth they created! [2] (The shafts of light show how smokey it is in there).
His hobby was travelling round the country to see old steam trains running on preserved/heritage railways. That's fine, and fans of ICE cars will probably be able to watch races, drive on private roads/racetracks etc.
Better than nothing, but the date is a bit far away if we want carbon neutrality before (or even around) 2050. Cars have fairly long service times. Hopefully the market will phase out ICEs earlier than that except for niche uses.
As someone in the American Midwest: LMAO. ICE cars are definitely not going anywhere anytime soon here.
This will be a huge disaster, I work for one of the largest car manufacturers in the world and everyone is shitting their pants. Germany the leading "pseudo-green" energy country can't even produce enough green energy for 10% of currently existing electric cars, there's no way on earth to have enough for a electric-car-only scenario til 2035. What are these politicians thinking? The only way they can make this work is by going full YOU VILL OWN NOTHING mode and cancel private property as we know it.
Way too rushed... I don't think there is a clear roadmap for how the required infrastructure and supply chain will work. Definitely no clear understanding on the environmental impact of EVs. Did some pushy Tesla sales reps took senior EU politicians for some cool test rides? Sounds very much like it.
We are not in a planned economy, we don't need a 10-year plan for building national supply chains. We have to make sure our electricity infrastructure can cope, everything else can be left up to the market. After all the investment to build a fast charger is easy if you have a guarantee that the number of customers will increase dramatically.
I strongly disagree. This is as close to planned economy as possible. Just that this time the planning organ is a weird hybrid mix of the private and public sector, technically very close to the official definition of of the word "fascism". A marriage of the multinational conglomerates and the globalistic supranational state-esque constructs like the EU.
I can't see if you are being sarcastic or not but this is definitely wrong. Burning gasoline to move a car is much more efficient than burning gasoline to produce electricity transported to a charger to charge a car to move a car.
You can check the numbers yourself on https://climobil.connecting-project.lu , comparing the ICE and BEV version of the same car (e.g. Volkswagen e-up offers both) and choosing the country where you would charge the vehicle. Poland seems the only country where the ICE comes out ahead I think. Note that this also includes the emissions for the battery production.
(Good link!)
Also Latvia, Estonia and Malta. And Kentucky, West Virginia, Wyoming.