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Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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And there's "tons" that don't, aren't there? So... maybe we should do this democratically and let the elected government decide what happens with federal land and not resort to this kind of "who matters more" nonsense?

Most people would say that they should have more say about jobs versus community trade offs in their local area than folks somewhere else. It’s only due to accidents of history that New Yorkers can veto economic development in Alaska in a way Alaskans can’t do with New York. Not just due to numbers but due to the historical development of the relevant property rights.

> in Alaska in a way Alaskans can’t do with New York

This is wildly incorrect. Alaskans have vastly higher relative representation in the federal government than New Yorkers, and it really isn't close. It's something like 3x as many house/senate votes per capita!

It's just not absolute. New Yorker are Americans, just like Alaskans, and so New Yorkers get a say about what to do with American resources like federal wilderness areas, just like Alaskans get a say with how to regulate New York guns shops, medical procedures or tax rates.

We call that "democracy", and while it's currently sorta falling apart in this country (due in no small part to the kind of absolutist arguments being deployed right here in this subthread) it's the best scheme we've picked. People really need to start finding ways to live with it instead of burning everything down.

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Blaming “politicians” is a canard. People in Alaska want to develop their land for the same reason people in New York and California did—for economic development and jobs. If other folks value the wilderness so much, they should pay folks in Alaska not to develop their land.

> If other folks value the wilderness so much, they should pay folks in Alaska not to develop their land. We did. Congress used our tax dollars to purchase Alaska and then later on carved out part of that purchase as this reserve. It is in no way more their land than it is the New Yorker’s or the Californian’s.

Wasn’t California purchased from Mexico? According to this logic, the only people that truly own land to develop as they please are those that own property in areas that were seized from Indians without compensation like the original East Coast states.

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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> If other folks value the wilderness so much, they should pay folks in Alaska not to develop their land. We did. Congress used our tax dollars to purchase Alaska and then later on carved out part of that purchase as this reserve. It is in no way more their land than it is the New Yorker’s or the Californian’s.

Wasn’t California purchased from Mexico? According to this logic, the only people that truly own land to develop as they please are those that own property in areas that were seized from Indians without compensation like the original East Coast states.

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Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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> People in Alaska want to develop their land In many cases, the "people" who want to develop things are actually not people but rather businesses or agents of businesses. Go to rural or remote places which have been upgraded and you will find locals lamenting about the changes which invited industry. Many people like their environment undisturbed.

Businesses are just groups of people doing stuff, that hire people to do stuff and sell stuff to people. And you can go into San Francisco and find plenty of people who don’t want Silicon Valley businesses in the city, or people who complain about how NYC has become gentrified. But I bet if you took a vote “should tech companies all leave San Francisco for Texas” or “should NYC go back to the way it was in the 70s” t…

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Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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spend a million dollars teaching the five folks on the volunteer fire department how to fly a helicopter. Spend another million on a helicopter. Spend another million upgrading the airport. Quick trip to cold bay, then off to Anchorage. I mean, like, peoples lives are at stake. Speed wins every single time. the longer someone goes without treatment, the less chance they have at survival. And that's the root question…

Can 1 million dollar helicopters fly in all weather conditions?

here's a used one for 1.5 https://www.controller.com/listings/for-sale/airbus/h225/air...

I'm sure if you poke around you could find a better deal.

but the reality is, it's 30 miles by boat - even if they build the road people are always going to take the boat, because it's always going to be faster.

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Can 1 million dollar helicopters fly in all weather conditions?

here's a used one for 1.5 https://www.controller.com/listings/for-sale/airbus/h225/air... I'm sure if you poke around you could find a better deal. but the reality is, it's 30 miles by boat - even if they build the road people are always going to take the boat, because it's always going to be faster.

Few boats can do anything close to 30 MPH, especially in conditions bad enough to close down their existing airport.

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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Instead of fighting for the road to the airport they'd better fight for the electric VTOL - a way to get their air transport without violating the wilderness refuge. Alaskan low density makes it a great place for the new technology to get tested in real use and have its early problems worked out.

eVTOL aren't anywhere near to being certified for commercial flight, and anyone telling you they are is a charlatan trying to cash out on investment fraud. I know because I worked for a semi well known eVTOL entrepreneur who continually facilitated an enterprise engaged in lying to customers that they would get an eVTOL in short order when in fact the FARs didn't even provide a path to certification.

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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> Some examples are to build dams and reservoirs. Yeah, dams and reservoirs that obliterated not just those towns but any and all surrounding habitats - while also in many cases interfering with fish stocks/migration. "Greater good" indeed. Maybe we should be tearing down those dams before quibbling over a gravel road.

> but any and all surrounding habitats They also created new habitats.

For some reason I doubt the creation v. destruction works out in the favor of dams.

Re: Jimmy Carter asks court to defend Alaska’s ‘unrivaled wilderness’

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post #126

Instead of fighting for the road to the airport they'd better fight for the electric VTOL - a way to get their air transport without violating the wilderness refuge. Alaskan low density makes it a great place for the new technology to get tested in real use and have its early problems worked out.

eVTOL aren't anywhere near to being certified for commercial flight, and anyone telling you they are is a charlatan trying to cash out on investment fraud. I know because I worked for a semi well known eVTOL entrepreneur who continually facilitated an enterprise engaged in lying to customers that they would get an eVTOL in short order when in fact the FARs didn't even provide a path to certification.

>the FARs didn't even provide a path to certification

and that is the fight those people should spend their effort/money at.

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