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Re: Web Push for Safari

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Yes, but they finally have announced support for mobile is coming. That’s the context of this link in my mind.

I can't belive it's 2022 and we are still waiting for this

I would say that I can’t believe that in 2023 I’m going to have yet another dialog to dismiss by denial on websites on my phone, but I would be lying.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

All the same things they’re useful for in apps (which are also prone to spam/clickbait). Web push is a prerequisite for moving a ton of apps out of app stores and into the platform agnostic thin client model of the web: messaging clients, timers, background tasks, transaction/shipping status updates, trading tools, etc

> Web push is a prerequisite for moving a ton of apps out of app stores and into the platform agnostic thin client model of the web

Why would I want to turn my powerful computer into a thin client where I don't have my own software?

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Reddit, for instance, should not be an app . It is failure on the browser's capabilities that you can't visit a reddit link without being spammed to death about installing their app. If the browser was capable of the things the reddit product team wanted to do, they wouldn't need to bug you to install their silly web wrapper app. The OS would be able to handle permissions gracefully, instead of letting the app have f…

I disagree, Reddit does well as an app (I’m of the option that HackerNews is too , that’s why in use Octal). It’s just that Reddit has a really bad app.

What specifically don't you like about Reddit app?

Re: Web Push for Safari

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You mean making them worse?

You mean not installing yet another application and having another icon on my homescreen for every freaking website I visit? And these apps almost have no need to run any native code or do anything a website can't handle in modern day. Yes. I'm all for it. Let's make browsers more capable.

Have you thought about not installing the apps and just using the website? I have yet to see a website where I wanted to install the app to view it, and have no idea what features would make me want to do that.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Seems I found a bug. I can't use the spacebar to pause a video in full screen mode. I tried another video on the developer page and I face the same issue.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Why cannot it be automatically "no" for all push notifications? A website should not even be allowed to ask me. MS Teams already gives me a lot of push notifications during my work day, and if the browsers starts to do this, I will be overwhelmed with beeping nag-notifications. Computer clutter is a distraction and lowers productivity.

Firefox lets you do this for each permissions category (notifications, camera/mic access, etc).

IIRC by default Firefox doesn't prompt you when sites request to send you notifications. But it's possible, i just set some configuration a long time ago and forgot about it

Re: Web Push for Safari

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You mean making them worse?

Reddit, for instance, should not be an app . It is failure on the browser's capabilities that you can't visit a reddit link without being spammed to death about installing their app. If the browser was capable of the things the reddit product team wanted to do, they wouldn't need to bug you to install their silly web wrapper app. The OS would be able to handle permissions gracefully, instead of letting the app have f…

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Re: Web Push for Safari

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I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

You could run Slack or Discord in browser instead of an application, then notifications could be used exactly as for the apps.

Which is what I do in Firefox, which has supported this for a long time.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Dumb questions about web push: would one see a gradual uptick in resources consumed by webworkers as they accumulate notifications from different sites? Would they keep the antenna/modem on a phone awake constantly?

The big advantage of the current centralized model is that it's easier to coalesce notifications and the OS only has to maintain a single connection. Would hate to see my battery take a hit as a result of a move away from that model.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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post #54

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You mean making them worse?

Reddit, for instance, should not be an app . It is failure on the browser's capabilities that you can't visit a reddit link without being spammed to death about installing their app. If the browser was capable of the things the reddit product team wanted to do, they wouldn't need to bug you to install their silly web wrapper app. The OS would be able to handle permissions gracefully, instead of letting the app have f…

> If the browser was capable of the things the reddit product team wanted to do, they wouldn't need to bug you to install their silly web wrapper app.

I don’t want the things the developers want. Reddit’s mistake is thinking that I want anything more than headlines, thumbnails, and interstitial advertising.

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