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Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by bryans »

mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

I'm not sure if it qualifies as useful, but a while back I hacked together a web push notifications site[1] for RPAN live streamers after Reddit ripped away in-site notifications. It didn't gain traction because the admins/mods banned and forbade me from speaking about it, and because I couldn't offer iOS notifications, but ~1,000 people still use it to get ~25,000 notifications every day.

For the first several months, I was getting a message or email every day asking when iOS web push was coming, and the timing couldn't be more perfect that Reddit just effectively shut down their live streaming the same day that Apple finally enabled push.

[1] https://rpan.me/live

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by scarface74 »

swatcoder wrote: post #14
mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

All the same things they’re useful for in apps (which are also prone to spam/clickbait). Web push is a prerequisite for moving a ton of apps out of app stores and into the platform agnostic thin client model of the web: messaging clients, timers, background tasks, transaction/shipping status updates, trading tools, etc

You mean making them worse?

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by scarface74 »

hamandcheese wrote: post #31
sidlls wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every comment suggesting it brings browsers closer to feature parity with apps is a great argument against the feature. Browsers aren't operating systems. Stop trying to make them be that. It has been a terrible disaster so far, and likely will continue to be going forward, given the lingua franca of development in browsers and all the terrible development practices that have grown up around it.

The web is our only hope to not pay Apple/Google 15-30% of all digital commerce. Reaching parity with native apps is crucial.

None of the current messaging apps require or even support in app purchases.

So the argument about paying anyone 30% is moot.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by jtbayly »

ricketycricket wrote: post #35
morepork wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Push notifications are useful in browsers in all the same places they are useful in mobile apps. Note that browser push notifications also work on mobile, so you don't need to install an app to get real time alerts. For example: - Sites with chat can send you messages even if you don't have the tab open (or even browser in some cases) - Online game e.g. board game or chess can push to you when it's your move. - Home…

> Note that browser push notifications also work on mobile, so you don't need to install an app to get real time alerts. Push notifications in Safari are only supported on desktop for now.

Yes, but they finally have announced support for mobile is coming. That’s the context of this link in my mind.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by scarface74 »

dnndev wrote: post #30
mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

Probably 90% of the things that currently use SMS. Carriers keep hiking fees for sms, so this is a natural path for Devs.

Carriers in the US charging for SMS? That hasn’t been a thing for years.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by jtbayly »

airza wrote: post #17
mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

It would be nice if mobile browsers had push notifications in IOS because it would make it possible to have browser based mobile apps with some chance of feature parity.

They announced it is coming.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by bpicolo »

mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

Useful for calendar apps to notify of events honestly.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by dnndev »

scarface74 wrote: post #45
dnndev wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably 90% of the things that currently use SMS. Carriers keep hiking fees for sms, so this is a natural path for Devs.

Carriers in the US charging for SMS? That hasn’t been a thing for years.

Sure they do. Just ask twilio or nexmo. I get billed every month for sending sms from my app (pass thru carrier fees)

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by scarface74 »

dnndev wrote: post #49
scarface74 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carriers in the US charging for SMS? That hasn’t been a thing for years.

Sure they do. Just ask twilio or nexmo. I get billed every month for sending sms from my app (pass thru carrier fees)

You mean sending SMS as an app developer. Makes sense
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