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Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

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You only covered the "like them" aspect, what about the "fit a pattern that appeals to them" part? Chinese and Indians fall into "model minority" stereotypes, which have their own set of evils (you are X so you must be good at Y is it's own kind of dehumanization). So someone making a gut call might have underlying prejudices for Asians and against blacks. In other words, when is the last time a white person has cros…

In that case, why do Indians/Chinese "fit a pattern that appeals to them" and Blacks do not? I focused on "like them" because that's a lower entropy theory than "fit a pattern" - it's a claim that VC's thought process is x -> cultural_distance(self, x). "Fit a pattern" is basically just an assertion that VC's have a table of values in their mind, { "asian" : +1, "white" : 0, "black" : -1 } without explaining either w…

EDIT, TL;DR: If you're successful at something other than sports or entertainment you're not "acting black" because blacks are losers by definition (or so the stereotype says).

> In that case, why do Indians/Chinese "fit a pattern that appeals to them" and Blacks do not?

Because the stereotype of "acting black" is so pervasive and negative.

The black hipster who knows Python and doesn't wear a dew-rag probably needn't worry. Essentially he may be black but he doesn't "act black".

Also, if he's one guy in the startup that's ok -- it fits the pattern. If the whole startup is black, maybe you wonder if they're ghetto. Doesn't fit the pattern because you haven't seen it before.

The bro who shows up with a noticeable accent and stereotypical behaviours is at a disadvantage.

Successful blacks become invisible because they don't "act black" because the old stereotype is that you can't be really black and successful (except in sports, or entertainment).

Someone once said to me: "So these guys were real niggers, you know, not like you -- I mean trash."

On the one hand, I was offended. On the other hand, I knew what he meant.

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

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It's not surprising NewMe didn't get coverage. Taking part in a race-selected accelerator, instead of a quality-selected accelerator, reflects badly. "If their product is so good, why couldn't they get into YC or TechStars?".

> Taking part in a race-selected accelerator, instead of a quality-selected accelerator This is very true. I'm half-black and I've avoided such programs and clubs to avoid being labeled. This is part of a larger issue: "black" is not a culture. What we call "black culture" is more like US-poor-uneducated-black-ghetto-post-slavery-culture. So, if you happen to be black and aren't poor and aren't living in a ghetto, yo…

there really is a sense of "those losers are embarrassing us."

Chris Rock has a famous rant about this: "There are black people and there are n!!!ers, and the n!!!ers have got to go"

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

#93
post #31

Silicon Valley is chum-tactic, so if you really care about the differential access problem for X, regardless of the value of X, make extra special effort to both tell X that Silicon Valley is chum-tactic and to introduce them to the right people. Chum-tactic: the first filter applied to you, for press or investment or anything, is "Who sent you to me?" Some people think "Silicon Valley is a meritocracy" implies that…

Why aren't there many over-weight entrepreneurs in the Vally? I mean just look at how many over weight americans in US and they are under-presented in tech. I'm pissed. I'm going to start a OverWeightMe incubator that helps fat people. And any news media or investor who is not paying attention is a a weight-ist. You all should all write about me and fund me because i'm fat and under-presented so I deserve it. Sarcasm…

Here is an interesting article about a white american athlete who complained about bias agains white americans in the NBA.

see:

http://www.thegrio.com/opinion/should-the-nba-assist-white-p...

I see parallels, it's a cultural thing, generally speaking in the African American community tech startups are not valued like playing basketball/football or being singer/rapper/actor.

The startups that are popular in the African American community is the record label.

I also thought this was interesting as well: http://deadspin.com/kyle-mcalarney/

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

#94
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Outside of closed environments with pre-screening (students in a class, for instance), what systems don't work this way?

Professional athletics? It seems to be as close to a pure meritocracy as I can think of.

The military (kind of).

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

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> Taking part in a race-selected accelerator, instead of a quality-selected accelerator This is very true. I'm half-black and I've avoided such programs and clubs to avoid being labeled. This is part of a larger issue: "black" is not a culture. What we call "black culture" is more like US-poor-uneducated-black-ghetto-post-slavery-culture. So, if you happen to be black and aren't poor and aren't living in a ghetto, yo…

there really is a sense of "those losers are embarrassing us." Chris Rock has a famous rant about this: " There are black people and there are n!!!ers, and the n!!!ers have got to go "

Hilarious rant, but there's still the problem of the word "nigger".

There's a recent tendency to equate "nigger" with "white trash". White people don't call white trash niggers.

Innocent whites weren't hung from trees in living memory with crowds of blacks shouting "white trash!". The word "nigger" is more offensive (for now) because of the history of its use. It's an ugly word.

By analogy, ask an Irish Catholic which is more offensive: "white trash" or "dogan". Actually, don't ask, unless you know the person really well.

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

#96
post #90

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Why aren't there many over-weight entrepreneurs in the Vally? I mean just look at how many over weight americans in US and they are under-presented in tech. I'm pissed. I'm going to start a OverWeightMe incubator that helps fat people. And any news media or investor who is not paying attention is a a weight-ist. You all should all write about me and fund me because i'm fat and under-presented so I deserve it. Sarcasm…

"...The whole sport (e.g basketball) industry is dominated by black people. Do you see asian people crying around shouting 'racism'?" No. But I do see them start fights with black people when they get beat by them. You should see it ... it's hilarious -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmG9G-ZwDDc I think the PHYSICAL fighting you see on the part of the Chinese teams is a manifestation of the same frustration that bla…

Have you never seen any sports?

It's men (or women) competing against one another. I suppose you think its also a manifestation of some deep frustration when two white hockey players fight on the ice? Or when two black players fight in the NBA? Or when a black guy fights a white guy, etc. etc.

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

there really is a sense of "those losers are embarrassing us." Chris Rock has a famous rant about this: " There are black people and there are n!!!ers, and the n!!!ers have got to go "

Hilarious rant, but there's still the problem of the word "nigger". There's a recent tendency to equate "nigger" with "white trash". White people don't call white trash niggers. Innocent whites weren't hung from trees in living memory with crowds of blacks shouting "white trash!". The word "nigger" is more offensive (for now) because of the history of its use. It's an ugly word. By analogy, ask an Irish Catholic whic…

Hence my unusual spelling.

I'm not sure the white trash equivalency is really gaining momentum, though.

Whites never deeply disliked their poorer and less-educated brethren despite looking down on them, and there has been a spate of "white trash is cool" with the popularity of the Cable Guy and Redneck comedy tours.

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hilarious rant, but there's still the problem of the word "nigger". There's a recent tendency to equate "nigger" with "white trash". White people don't call white trash niggers. Innocent whites weren't hung from trees in living memory with crowds of blacks shouting "white trash!". The word "nigger" is more offensive (for now) because of the history of its use. It's an ugly word. By analogy, ask an Irish Catholic whic…

Hence my unusual spelling. I'm not sure the white trash equivalency is really gaining momentum, though. Whites never deeply disliked their poorer and less-educated brethren despite looking down on them, and there has been a spate of "white trash is cool" with the popularity of the Cable Guy and Redneck comedy tours.

>Hence my unusual spelling.

Oh, I wasn't intending to criticize you. Yeah, I agree.

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

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post #96
post #90

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"...The whole sport (e.g basketball) industry is dominated by black people. Do you see asian people crying around shouting 'racism'?" No. But I do see them start fights with black people when they get beat by them. You should see it ... it's hilarious -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmG9G-ZwDDc I think the PHYSICAL fighting you see on the part of the Chinese teams is a manifestation of the same frustration that bla…

Have you never seen any sports? It's men (or women) competing against one another. I suppose you think its also a manifestation of some deep frustration when two white hockey players fight on the ice? Or when two black players fight in the NBA? Or when a black guy fights a white guy, etc. etc.

Not only have I seen them ...

I've played them ... NCAA Div 1 Track and Basketball.

Anyone fighting in Track and Basketball is fighting because they are getting beat. And because they are generally a whiny Beeyotch. And that was true even back in my day, (early 90's).

Never played other sports, (hockey), so I can't say. But if you are fighting in Track or Basketball ... I can guarantee it is because you are a beeyotch. Now you couple this fact with the fact that the CBA gets into fights with nearly every visitor that beats them...and you have to think there are some frustrated players over there. Google China vs. Brazil or China vs US or China vs Australia or China vs anyone really.

I question whether you have played sport at a sufficiently high level if you believe that fighting is just a part of it. Or if you have ... your coaches failed miserably in getting the point of athletics across to you.

Re: Arrington, Race, and Silicon Valley

#100
post #35

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So do you think I (a non-Indian) would be at a disadvantage applying to Khosla's outfit [1]? If Khosla looks for people "like him", that should be the case. Similarly, would an Indian founder be at a disadvantage applying to Fred Wilson? Somehow, I suspect any disadvantage would be minor, if it existed at all. In any case, your theory of who "them" is now drawn quite broadly. It's not so much people looking for other…

He is saying that the tech clique is whites and asians. If you're not Indian but you're white (Chinese, Jewish, etc.) this does not put you at a disadvantage. If you're non-white and non-asian all things being equal you would be at a disadvantage. This is not a very strong claim. It's been shown repeatedly with resumes and in loan applications that a black name/photo/applicant is less likely to move forward than a wh…

So here is the fundamental question: how did Indians/Chinese break into the "tech clique" and why can't Blacks do the same thing?
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