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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by eurasiantiger »

kaba0 wrote: post #66
teekert wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are at a meeting with colleagues, one colleague suddenly starts to insist that Santa Claus is real. Do you take them seriously? Sure it’s freedom of speech but there will be some kind of drop in respect. I mean I get that you believe that one book trumps all of human science because you were raised that way but when you grow up your critical thinking skills should kick in. If they don’t, it’s very difficult to ke…

That's such a bad take, and I'm not even religious. This is the utmost lack of respect for another person that we should strive to stray very very far away from. Also, if you would know anything at all about religion (from context, I assume you mean Christianity), they don't believe that one book trumps all of human science at all -- taking the text literally is a relatively modern take done by very few branches of i…

> Catholics were responsible for several huge discoveries in science and science is absolutely in line with the religion

This comes off as hugely apologetic. I’m not sure whether Copernicus would agree with the sentiment.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by klodolph »

jjeaff wrote: post #74
klodolph wrote: post #68

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I don’t think you have justification for calling the argument “disingenuous”. Seems like accusations of people being disingenuous is the go-to accusation on HN and I’m tired of it.

Well, if it's not disingenuous, then the commenter is very much out of touch with reality. Pick your poison.

I can’t follow your line of reasoning here. Seems like you’re saying that the comment is so absurd and fantastical that the author is either “out of touch with reality” or the author doesn’t believe it themselves… but I don’t know what line of reasoning you used to come to that conclusion. The conclusion is definitely not obvious to me.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by verve_rat »

beebmam wrote: post #13
TulliusCicero wrote: post #5

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Yeah. I'm open to believing there's more religious discrimination at Google -- and I have no trouble believing that being very Christian could make you a bit of a social pariah within the company -- but the lack of concrete examples is concerning. In the US, it's very common for right-wing Christians to exaggerate claims of religious discrimination. For example, many consider not allowing public school teachers/coach…

I'm open to believing anything, with appropriate evidence. The author makes specific claims about being judged by their manager for their religious beliefs. I'm not sure that's going to be enough to win a discrimination suit, but I wish them the best of luck. Religious discrimination at a workplace is (and should be) against the law. I hope they find the appropriate lawyer who can navigate this for them! (For what it…

That's... not how atheism works.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by jseban »

Renaud wrote: post #51
krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

It’s quite baffling to me that people would start talking about religion at social events that are not related to religion in the first place. To me, one of the basic rules of social etiquette is never talk about religion or politics unless you’re amongst people who share your views or it’s a specific religious or political gathering. If I’m attending a social function, I certainly don’t want to hear about your relig…

> To me, one of the basic rules of social etiquette is never talk about religion or politics

Yeah I agree, I'm also surprised, never talk about religion/politics, health or money, those are private matters shared with people you can choose freely, and not with colleagues or other random people you can't choose, but need to get along with.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by klodolph »

CodeMage wrote: post #84
klodolph wrote: post #70

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It’s reasonable to equate them. Both are protected classes.

Yes, it's reasonable to equate them in the context of employment discrimination . That's what "protected class" protects from.

Isn’t that the context here?

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by peterashford »

ars wrote: post #59
hackyhacky wrote: post #26

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Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Are you claiming that murder was totally accepted as normal before Moses got the Commandments? Religion, at best, codified moral values that were already in place in society.

> Are you claiming that murder was totally accepted as normal before Moses got the Commandments? Pretty much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide read the 4th paragraph. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war which also traces its roots to religion. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law I don't think you quite realize how much of modern morality traces itself to religious law. Maybe take a course in…

As someone with a degree in Philosophy, I have no idea why you think doing a course in Philosophy would make you believe that religion was the basis of morality. There is plenty of philosophy which explicitly rejects that point of view.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by astrange »

wrzuteczka wrote: post #36
0des wrote: post #15

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Do you feel the same way about people who believe their deity is a soul that was a person?

Is there any proof that the AI is anything else than a complex statistical model and actually has consciousness?

Complex statistical models can be conscious. The reason AIs aren’t conscious is they’re not embodied beings and don’t have any need to develop it to stay alive.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by unsignedint »

krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

I would see a big red flag on the person if they would start discussing religion even at non-work settings, unless I know that person really well. (And if the person knows me very well, I don't think they will bother...)

Someone having religious beliefs does not give them right to rude with their colleagues, while his desire to hold certain religious beliefs respected and accommodated where appropriate (which would be discrimination if not) that does not mean people around him need to respect what he believe.

From my past encounters with religious people, I can't help notice there's mix up on this.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by ken47 »

teekert wrote: post #31
krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

You are at a meeting with colleagues, one colleague suddenly starts to insist that Santa Claus is real. Do you take them seriously? Sure it’s freedom of speech but there will be some kind of drop in respect. I mean I get that you believe that one book trumps all of human science because you were raised that way but when you grow up your critical thinking skills should kick in. If they don’t, it’s very difficult to ke…

Can you prove the Big Bang occurred? If so, can you prove that nothing preceded a Big Bang?

If you are as rational as you arrogantly imply, then the obvious answers to these are no.

Are you equally appalled when you come across average people talking about these theories as if they are facts? I wonder.

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