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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by hackyhacky »

ars wrote: post #59
hackyhacky wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Are you claiming that murder was totally accepted as normal before Moses got the Commandments? Religion, at best, codified moral values that were already in place in society.

> Are you claiming that murder was totally accepted as normal before Moses got the Commandments? Pretty much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide read the 4th paragraph. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war which also traces its roots to religion. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law I don't think you quite realize how much of modern morality traces itself to religious law. Maybe take a course in…

> Pretty much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide read the 4th paragraph.

I asked about murder, not this particular special case. Furthermore, even from the paragraph that you cite, there is nothing explicitly connecting religious law with a prohibition of murder or infanticide. The article states the Christianity forbade infanticide, which I will note is about 1300 years AFTER Moses.

> I don't think you quite realize how much of modern morality traces itself to religious law. Maybe take a course in Philosophy.

Thanks for your unjustified condescension. Maybe you should read the articles that you cite?

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by londons_explore »

Renaud wrote: post #51
krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

It’s quite baffling to me that people would start talking about religion at social events that are not related to religion in the first place. To me, one of the basic rules of social etiquette is never talk about religion or politics unless you’re amongst people who share your views or it’s a specific religious or political gathering. If I’m attending a social function, I certainly don’t want to hear about your relig…

The way religions spread is to violate this social etiquette.

Many religions explicitly require followers to try to 'spread the word' for exactly this reason.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by [deleted] »

KaiserPro wrote: post #47
wrzuteczka wrote: post #41

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You mean “talk” as in be receiving answers in real time? Because I think all Christians believe that you can “talk” to God in some way.

> Because I think all Christians believe that you can “talk” to God in some way. The noisy ones perhaps. I strongly suspect that only a small, vocal minority believe in actual dialogue with god.

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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by hackyhacky »

thinkingemote wrote: post #85
hackyhacky wrote: post #26

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Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Are you claiming that murder was totally accepted as normal before Moses got the Commandments? Religion, at best, codified moral values that were already in place in society.

Yes that's right more or less. Slavery and sexual violence could be a better example as it's more closer to now. History is illuminating.

Slavery and sexual violence are explicitly endorsed by the Bible.

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Post by thyrsus »

ars wrote: post #39

I've noticed that Google Maps Timeline utterly refuses to ever mark a Synagogue as a location you've visited. It always marks it as the city or neighborhood. Other locations show up just fine, but for a synagogue you also have to manually override it. Of course, it could just be "it's not sure you actually were there" kind of thing, but I don't think I've ever seen it mark a synagogue as a visited location. I want to…

That might make sense if it were dangerous to be identified as Jewish. I have no idea if that is among the reasons.

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Post by coffeeblack »

KaiserPro wrote: post #43

There are two things to tease out here. 1) the Indian caste system is not _just_ religious discrimination, its a class system that is devilishly tricky to escape. Its difficult to comprehend in the USA because the class system there is basically skin colour>money>very distant last religion. OP touches on this, but doesn't really quite grasp the difference. The implication is that he is but a poor dalit, because of hi…

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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by neilv »

There are a few things confusing to me about even the opening paragraph.

It sounds like the writer is going through a rough time, and I wonder whether they're overwhelmed, and not reasoning as well as they normally would.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by astrange »

mkl95 wrote: post #35

> If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face Let's say someone brought up BDSM at a social event. How would the average religious person feel? Exactly how non religious people feel when someone brings up their religious beliefs. If you were into some niche sex act, chances are you'd completely understand if other people didn't like it. Howev…

A funny thing about this post is if you want to get into BDSM with your partner, the people into it are well known for having a community with a lot of social events you might end up having to go to even if you don’t want to hang out with any of them.

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Post by l33t2328 »

londons_explore wrote: post #92
Renaud wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s quite baffling to me that people would start talking about religion at social events that are not related to religion in the first place. To me, one of the basic rules of social etiquette is never talk about religion or politics unless you’re amongst people who share your views or it’s a specific religious or political gathering. If I’m attending a social function, I certainly don’t want to hear about your relig…

The way religions spread is to violate this social etiquette. Many religions explicitly require followers to try to 'spread the word' for exactly this reason.

All the religions that don’t encourage that quickly die out from lack of new members.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by kaba0 »

wrzuteczka wrote: post #36
0des wrote: post #15

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Do you feel the same way about people who believe their deity is a soul that was a person?

Is there any proof that the AI is anything else than a complex statistical model and actually has consciousness?

Well, it can be an emergent property. To be honest, if your belief is heavily science-based, then there is not much else to believe regarding our very own consciouscness -- it is an emergent property of billions of interconnected neurons.

Though on the other hand, even the biggest AI systems are lightyears behind biological networks when we look at interconnectedness.

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