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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by wrzuteczka »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #10

> Mysticism within the Abrahamic religions should not be such a strange thing to encounter that people would literally question my sanity for holding such beliefs I think the author misses how rare it is to find highly educated, rational people who literally think they can talk to God. For most Google engineers, talking to the author would be the first time they encounter a person like that.

You mean “talk” as in be receiving answers in real time? Because I think all Christians believe that you can “talk” to God in some way.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by truthwhisperer »

krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by KaiserPro »

There are two things to tease out here.

1) the Indian caste system is not _just_ religious discrimination, its a class system that is devilishly tricky to escape. Its difficult to comprehend in the USA because the class system there is basically skin colour>money>very distant last religion. OP touches on this, but doesn't really quite grasp the difference.

The implication is that he is but a poor dalit, because of his faith. Which is pretty wild.

2) choosing to preach in work will lead to raised eyebrows.

on point two he says there are other mystics about in google, but I strongly suspect they aren't trying to convert people.

Look, I am surprisingly religious, I don't talk about my faith unless it's expressly required. Like my penis, it doesn't come out at work.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by annyeonghada »

eric4smith wrote: post #11

Bruh. When are people going to stop expecting large public companies to cater to their every whim? It seems these days people are expecting every possible form of accommodation and bending backwards. People have forgotten in these companies you are there to give your time and get paid for said time given. Period. Companies will do things to help employees spend even more hours and be more loyal to their workplace in…

>When are people going to stop expecting large public companies to cater to their every whim?

When these companies will stop to cater to specific groups and will stay politically neutral. The moment they started making socio-political utterances is the moment they've become a political entity not merely an economical one. And given that Google has profits that surpass the budgets of entire countries they can, they will and they have already mold society to their specific political whims: it is best for all of us that these whims are checked against to remind us that there exist alternatives to their techno-dystopian future.

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Post by stefankorun »

krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

Okay, so how would you consider the alternative when someone is expressing their opinion on other topics like: “Do you really like dating people of the same sex? Sorry that’s the kind of thing I associate with someone who does not have any mental issues as yourself”.

I am not advocating if any of them are good or bad (personally I avoid both), but we should really have the same standards when it comes to the famed “free speech”.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by KaiserPro »

wrzuteczka wrote: post #41
lalaland1125 wrote: post #10

> Mysticism within the Abrahamic religions should not be such a strange thing to encounter that people would literally question my sanity for holding such beliefs I think the author misses how rare it is to find highly educated, rational people who literally think they can talk to God. For most Google engineers, talking to the author would be the first time they encounter a person like that.

You mean “talk” as in be receiving answers in real time? Because I think all Christians believe that you can “talk” to God in some way.

> Because I think all Christians believe that you can “talk” to God in some way.

The noisy ones perhaps. I strongly suspect that only a small, vocal minority believe in actual dialogue with god.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by aerovistae »

I don't see a problem with this. I'm glad that we have freedom of religion in the United States, and nobody is systemically persecuted or deprived of opportunities based on believing in one god or another, but I also feel organized religion is a dangerous set of beliefs from another time.

I'm glad we're finally reaching the point in the timeline of civilization where we can stop taking it seriously and start treating it as inanity, which is what it always was. I think it had value a long time ago, before we had developed better forms of societal organization and better explanations for our world, but that value is long since gone.

While I would never vote for a law persecuting religious persons, I do believe it's fairly crazy to believe in made up things that make no sense, and I certainly don't consider it discrimination to treat those beliefs as such.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by dvzk »

0des wrote: post #15
WoahNoun wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just sentient but that the AI has a soul and deserves the full rights of personhood. Dude is mentally ill.

Do you feel the same way about people who believe their deity is a soul that was a person?

The inconsistency gotchas in this thread are hilarious. “What if you replace religion with race or gender?” “What if you replace AI with god?” If your answers change then you have no principles.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by jjeaff »

teekert wrote: post #31
krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

You are at a meeting with colleagues, one colleague suddenly starts to insist that Santa Claus is real. Do you take them seriously? Sure it’s freedom of speech but there will be some kind of drop in respect. I mean I get that you believe that one book trumps all of human science because you were raised that way but when you grow up your critical thinking skills should kick in. If they don’t, it’s very difficult to ke…

It's likely that a minority of Christians take everything in the Bible literally and believe that it trumps science. I think you are being a bit disengenuous.
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