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Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

melling wrote: post #70
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people seem to be a month behind on what Russia is doing in Ukraine. What are you talking about? https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offens...

So, you and I both posted the same information about the current assessment. Thanks. It’s great to discuss the current situation “Ukrainian officials are increasing the urgency of their requests for more-sophisticated Western-provided weapons systems amid reports of growing Russian artillery superiority”

No. You asserted that mainstream information is behind by a month.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by FooBarWidget »

therealcamino wrote: post #67
FooBarWidget wrote: post #15

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Deviations in agreements is not a thing exclusive to China. Agreements in international politics are made for a purpose. Perhaps to keep peace, or to protect some interest, etc. If the situation changes such that that purpose can no longer be served — especially if that purpose is an extremely important core interest — then any country will seek to deviate from agreed upon behavior. For example, the US clearly agreed…

"For example, the US clearly agreed on the One China Policy but they are now changing it. Because the US no longer values the original purpose that the One China Policy served." If by that you mean the US agreed that Taiwan should be a part of the PRC, that's never been true. It was just a condition of establishing relations with China that the US officially pretend that Taiwan isn't an independent nation. But everyo…

No. One China means the acknowledgement that the mainland and Taiwan are part of the same country, but there may be disagreement to who the government is. Before the US recognized the PRC government, it recognized the ROC government aka the one in Taiwan, as being the sole legit government of all of China including Taiwan.

So the US didn't officially support "Taiwan independence". After the US flipped to PRC, they opposed the PRC taking over Taiwan, but the "Taiwan independence" notion didn't exist in Taiwan at the time. The govt in Taiwan wanted to retake the mainland. The independence notion only came into existance relatively recently.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by lostmsu »

melling wrote: post #28
antux wrote: post #19

China is always overstepping their bounds and needs to be checked by the superpowers of the world. Without checks and balances, they will continue to bully the neighboring countries by force and deception.

China, Russia, and the United States are the only 3 superpowers. China already has a larger economy in terms of PPP. It passed the United States in 2017. Russia appears to have bigger plans beyond Ukraine: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-38099842 Also, people seem to be a month behind on what Russia is doing in Ukraine. https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2022-06-10/ukraine-a...

Russia is a superpower? o-O I would understand if you put EU there. Or if you consider it to be separate states, Germany, UK, and France. Russia has not been a superpower since the collapse of USSR and even regaining those territories (which is not going to happen) won't turn them into one. Neither China, nor US are superpowers because they have a lot of land. They are superpowers because they have immense industries, which the world depends on.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by melling »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #71
melling wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you and I both posted the same information about the current assessment. Thanks. It’s great to discuss the current situation “Ukrainian officials are increasing the urgency of their requests for more-sophisticated Western-provided weapons systems amid reports of growing Russian artillery superiority”

No. You asserted that mainstream information is behind by a month.

No, I did not. I asserted that all this discussion by people [here] about Russia’s “humiliation” is out of date then I posted a NYT article to update the discussion here.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by mdp2021 »

imwillofficial wrote: post #49
throw10920 wrote: post #44

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> China is likely to never attack Taiwan as long as the status quo is maintained, and as long as they believe that eventual peaceful reunification is possible. Put another way: if the people of Taiwan decide that they don't want reunification, then China is going to invade and take them by force.

That’s not what was said whatsoever. Make your own comments, don’t try and fail to interpret others’ comments and restate them.

That looks like "drawing conclusions", not like "attributing thoughts".

"B wants stasis¹" // "Hence if A breaks it by removing doubts, B will act" - this is what was actually diplomatically declared, reminded, renewed in the past hours.

¹"stasis" - not the most proper expression of what is sought, but just to remain close to the original post in question.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

samcheng wrote: post #23
melling wrote: post #14

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Russia has regrouped and moved past the “humiliation“ event. Russia has 10 times the artillery as Ukraine and they are putting it to work. The West is simply not providing enough to Ukraine Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians will eventually die, and they could lose. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-risks-losing-artillery-war-...

Even if Russia manages to level a few more cities, it's hard to see the past three months as anything but a humiliation of Russia's military might. The damage to Russian military international respect (fear, even) has already been done.

Russian here. I condemn this war but let's be realistic. The extremely poor performance of Russian military at the start of the war is due to the following factors:

- extreme underestimation of Ukrainian people and government will to resist the occupation

- extremely poor planning and overstretching the communication lines

- frontlines in the beginning of the campaign were vastly undermanned for a conventional war (ww2 fronts in the same are had 5-15 times more soldiers per km)

- many troops in the initial wave were unwilling to fight this particular opponent. Brother nation and all that.

Now, many of these factors are no longer the same. Fronts are shrinked. RAF military better understands the capabilities of the UAF, and is countering their tactics more efficiently. Soldiers are better equipped with night vision equipment, drones, and they use artillery without hesitation. And most of all, new troops coming to front are no longer the kind of people who were brought in for a military exercise and found themselves invading Ukraine: they consciously signed up a (lucrative for provincial russians) military contract and know exactly what their objective is.

The humiliation is such thing. Yes, you are humiliated, so what? USSR was humiliated in the Winter war, yet, people often forget that it actually won it, taking 20% of Finland ( * ). Currently, Putin holds 20% of Ukraine, and I assess he can get a further 10% at this rate by the year end.

(Russia does have the resources to fight it till the end of the year, meanwhile the western public is clearly oversatiated with this war - last week I haven't seen a single Ukraine related topic trending on Twitter)

* - one can argue that Soviet poor performance in Winter war has led Hitler to attack USSR, but 1) I believe Hitler would have attacked regardless, high on confidence after having beaten France and 2) there are nobody now to attack Russia but possibly China, who wouldn't risk it while it is still in one piece. After it desintegrates as a result of Putin's genius rule, probably, I'll take some far East provinces, but not now. Also, unsuccessful wars are the best reality check if you manage to survive them, so if anything, Ukraine war experience will highly improve the real capabilities of Russian military. Equipment can be replaced far more easily than capable soldiers with war experience.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by [deleted] »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #71
melling wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you and I both posted the same information about the current assessment. Thanks. It’s great to discuss the current situation “Ukrainian officials are increasing the urgency of their requests for more-sophisticated Western-provided weapons systems amid reports of growing Russian artillery superiority”

No. You asserted that mainstream information is behind by a month.

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Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by mdp2021 »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #25
aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #13

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> Anything Russia does to other states has got absolutely nothing to do with it. Your comment was excellent, and helpful to me. Thanks. I do disagree that China isn't watching US reaction through a million lenses to see how they can best increase their odds rolling over Taiwan with minimal damage. My strongest evidence? Political changes in Hong Kong.

China is definitely watching the US, but I don't think it's for the reason you imagine. China prefers peaceful reunification. They don't want to fight a war if they don't have to. At the same time, peaceful reunification is a core interest of China. Which means that they will go to war, but only if they believe peaceful reunification is no longer possible. So yes they do watch the US to make calculations. But even if…

> it's also possibly the most emotional one for the Chinese. Large portions of the population support reunification

Some of us have difficulties in understanding the mindset: if some population wants one system, and is unavailable to be part of a different system (they would have moved, would not they), how do those "reunification supporters" on the other side believe, psychologically, that a system change is imaginable? They believe that coercion can be an effective solution? That "the others will adapt"? If so, that the new configuration will be stable (like a model of energy states)? It does not sound sound, in these ways - it may sound like "early stopping" in thoughts.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by SenHeng »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #72
therealcamino wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For example, the US clearly agreed on the One China Policy but they are now changing it. Because the US no longer values the original purpose that the One China Policy served." If by that you mean the US agreed that Taiwan should be a part of the PRC, that's never been true. It was just a condition of establishing relations with China that the US officially pretend that Taiwan isn't an independent nation. But everyo…

No. One China means the acknowledgement that the mainland and Taiwan are part of the same country, but there may be disagreement to who the government is. Before the US recognized the PRC government, it recognized the ROC government aka the one in Taiwan, as being the sole legit government of all of China including Taiwan. So the US didn't officially support "Taiwan independence". After the US flipped to PRC, they op…

> The independence notion only came into existance relatively recently.

ie. The original generation that considered themselves Chinese has mostly died off, and now the younger generation who consider themselves Taiwanese are slowly taking over.

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