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The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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This year we finally moved to the US after 2 years of Covid-induced delays. We moved to Seattle because it's where my team is based. I'm far from impressed. The housing market is so inaccessible that we had to rent a house about 1 hour commute from the office. I have hardly visited the offices a handful of times since we moved, and every time there is maybe 1 or 2 people there. Also this spring seems to be one of the…

don’t you wish you was in Dixie! :P

I’m in the Seattle area too and it was indeed the wettest May in like 30 years. (Usually summers are great in the area but not so sure about that this year)

With remote work a lot of options opens up for you, esp with some rural areas getting community built fiber! You don’t have to choose between acres of pasture and fast Internet any more!

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Seattle weather is... polarizing... even in a more typical year. I personally find it hard to deal with so little sunshine.

That's definitely true. Lots of people I know here have a hard time with SAD, and Seattle being so far north is exacerbated by how cloudy the winter is. Though if the winter isn't a dealbreaker, the summer makes up for it by being absolutely gorgeous for a few months almost straight, at least aside from wildfire smoke and a handful of days of unbearable heat.

The smoke sucks but as for heat, I’m not sure you can avoid some hot days anywhere in the US

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

#83
post #4

This year we finally moved to the US after 2 years of Covid-induced delays. We moved to Seattle because it's where my team is based. I'm far from impressed. The housing market is so inaccessible that we had to rent a house about 1 hour commute from the office. I have hardly visited the offices a handful of times since we moved, and every time there is maybe 1 or 2 people there. Also this spring seems to be one of the…

For weather you are right, it has been incredibly cold on the west coast all winter/spring this year, I lived down in Socal and cities near me were seeing records broken for all time lows, our old neighbors were saying this was one of the coldest winters they had ever seen. I think its a La Nina event that is causing the colder weathers so you make have been unlucky in that regard.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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God only knows why we still have net immigration. I guess despite the way minorities and lower classes are "oppressed" we're still better than everywhere else somehow?

I'd say that and and the global propoganda machine is strong. There's many from outside the country who have a picture of what it's like to live here that doesn't align with reality. I think much of it is due to entertainment: movies, TV shows, etc. that give this false impression that everything is rosey all the time. The lower classes are abused here as well and classes do exist but it's probably better being poor…

Immigrants aren’t dumb. The problem is that westerners have no idea what a median persons life in Africa or South America is like

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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post #4

This year we finally moved to the US after 2 years of Covid-induced delays. We moved to Seattle because it's where my team is based. I'm far from impressed. The housing market is so inaccessible that we had to rent a house about 1 hour commute from the office. I have hardly visited the offices a handful of times since we moved, and every time there is maybe 1 or 2 people there. Also this spring seems to be one of the…

I've lived quite a few places all over the US, Most of my time being spent in California, Texas, Utah and Colorado. But I've also lived in Florida, Oklahoma, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, an Louisiana. So I've got some perspective. Not liking cold and wet eliminates Utah/Colorado and the best parts of New Mexico since they all get snow, a caveat of the south is the humidity is rather strong, so the wetness might still be there. Since you are thinking about going to the south and since I'm most familiar with Texas I'll explain about that.

I think most of the US is can be disappointing in different ways, but it's still mostly divided between City, Suburbs and Rural lifestyle. A prevailing problem is how most cities are designed as car first, this goes back to lobbying in the 50s-Today but its enough to say that the only places with good walkability and public transportation are large cities in mostly progressive areas.

As an example Southern California Vs Texas. Cali has worse traffic and more people, but has better public transportation (though its still not great compared to other countries), while Texas has lots of toll roads, near the highways instead of loading ramps they have frontage roads (which to me feels like a solution optimized for about 30% of what the population is), has almost no public transportation and has somehow made their cities even less walkable than nearly anywhere else I've ever been (only certain districts are walkable, usually places like a downtown or places to bar crawl). The sprawl in the south is even more pronounced than almost anywhere else, the cities are not condensed at all, The Dallas-FortWorth area is a good example, it's probably easier to call it a region of 10-20 cities than to call it a city area, just the way it's designed, they are all kinda separated districts that don't mix with each other, don't connect properly.

Housing is expensive anywhere the closer to a city you get, it's slightly cheaper in Texas than California, but if you live in the middle of nowhere in Cali, and the middle of nowhere in Texas it is comparable.

The rest of the south I've visited or spent time in, once you get away from the cities there is a kind of weighty feeling there, almost despair, it's palpable. I think it comes from centuries of poverty and how nothing changes except prices going up. The weather is nice but the culture, lack of resources, lack of opportunities and lack of networks almost always make it a negative to be there.

The positives are the food is tasty, the music is good, Atlanta is doing some cool stuff in entertainment and AI and Miami is also doing some interesting stuff in Finance and Stocks, Austin has a fun culture of music + tech + weirdness, San Antonio actually could become a place of tech manufacturing if they play their cards right. There are some fun places to go fishing too. Thats about it really. I've found most of the south to on the whole be a rather unpleasant place.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Keep in mind that they're really measuring pageviews to Stackoverflow, not actual data about movement. My intuition is that it's probably right, but this is suggestive at best.

This data could also signal that people in less traditional areas for software development now have access to remote jobs and are starting to learn more about programming (thus visiting Stackoverflow) to try to get those jobs. The fall in traffic in the traditional places is a signal about movement, but I wonder how much the upticks in other places are a combination of multiple things.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

#87
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I think eventually we will be back in the cities. Just not now. And by we I mean people in tech who are the only real group with this privilege.

Especially if we get a recession and tech employment is hit in a major way. We could be back to square 1 soon.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

#88
post #4

This year we finally moved to the US after 2 years of Covid-induced delays. We moved to Seattle because it's where my team is based. I'm far from impressed. The housing market is so inaccessible that we had to rent a house about 1 hour commute from the office. I have hardly visited the offices a handful of times since we moved, and every time there is maybe 1 or 2 people there. Also this spring seems to be one of the…

I've lived all over the west coast my entire life but moved to the Dallas area (a place I'd never been to) somewhat recently. We're incredibly happy. The schools are outstanding, I've never seen a single homeless person in our town, and the crime rate is nonexistent. We bought a 4000sqft palace for half of what our last house cost. Cost of living generally is far lower. There is virtually never any traffic. People we…

> There isn't a lot of outdoorsy things to do aside from hanging out by the pool anyways though. The nature is ugly and there are no hills.

That's primarily why people tolerate Seattle's climate. 9 months out of the year it will often be grey and rainy, but the natural wilderness is phenomenal exactly because of that. If you're into the outdoors, backpacking, fishing, kayaking, canoeing, mountain biking, trail running, skiing, rock climbing, there's tons of stuff within an hour drive of the city. If you get out backpacking and chat with other people you meet on the trails, it's a pretty common refrain that they moved here in large part for the outdoors.

And then when July - Sept rolls around and it's consistently warm and sunny -- you can't beat it!

Personally, the grey rainy weather was never really off putting for me. But that's probably because I was born here and I'm used to it. It's like that Bane quote from Batman: "Ah you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!"

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say that and and the global propoganda machine is strong. There's many from outside the country who have a picture of what it's like to live here that doesn't align with reality. I think much of it is due to entertainment: movies, TV shows, etc. that give this false impression that everything is rosey all the time. The lower classes are abused here as well and classes do exist but it's probably better being poor…

Immigrants aren’t dumb. The problem is that westerners have no idea what a median persons life in Africa or South America is like

It’s true. I was asking a person I know from Kenya what’s it’s like there. She said it’s a beautiful please, pretty good but I’d have to hire security guards to avoid getting kidnapped and ransomed. We just don’t realize how good the US is.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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20% increase in 10 years? Wow what an impossible number to accommodate. /s This likely points to slow bureaucracies or people fighting change or growth at all costs.

It doesn't sound like you're familiar with the area. Seattle is geographically constrained and there was already no empty land available for development in 2010 when the latest surge of new residents began. We can only accommodate new people by tearing down structures that already exist and replacing them with denser structures. > This likely points to slow bureaucracies or people fighting change or growth at all cos…

Seattle is still only the 10th densest city in the country.
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