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The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by EB66 »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #14
tjr225 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Person: "I don't really like it here and think I might leave" You: "stop talking shit and just leave" ???

I don't see what's so confusing. Unfortunately, it seems like a pretty predictable and rational response to me. All of the high prices in Seattle have been caused by the whopping 21%+ increase in city population (!!!) over the past decade.

When Seattlites hear newcomers, particularly highly paid software engineers, moaning and groaning about the weather and high prices, there is very little sympathy to be had.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by usrn »

angarg12 wrote: post #4

This year we finally moved to the US after 2 years of Covid-induced delays. We moved to Seattle because it's where my team is based. I'm far from impressed. The housing market is so inaccessible that we had to rent a house about 1 hour commute from the office. I have hardly visited the offices a handful of times since we moved, and every time there is maybe 1 or 2 people there. Also this spring seems to be one of the…

God only knows why we still have net immigration. I guess despite the way minorities and lower classes are "oppressed" we're still better than everywhere else somehow?

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by shmatt »

themanmaran wrote: post #16
angarg12 wrote: post #4

This year we finally moved to the US after 2 years of Covid-induced delays. We moved to Seattle because it's where my team is based. I'm far from impressed. The housing market is so inaccessible that we had to rent a house about 1 hour commute from the office. I have hardly visited the offices a handful of times since we moved, and every time there is maybe 1 or 2 people there. Also this spring seems to be one of the…

The southern states are pretty great. ATL (hometown) is getting more expensive but has a pretty decent tech scene. Also the best airport in the US (direct flights everywhere). I've also been interested in North Carolina for a little while. Much more affordable (compared to PNW), and has some really nice areas (Asheville, Raleigh/Durham). But transportation is a bit more limited.

ATL averages about 33% more rain than Seattle

Honestly unless OP goes to California, where the housing situation is much worse, or middle of nowhere like Nevada, they're going to be much wetter (albeit in the Summer and not Winter/Spring) in most of the south

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by omginternets »

lmarcos wrote: post #9
adamhi wrote: post #3

Keep in mind that they're really measuring pageviews to Stackoverflow, not actual data about movement. My intuition is that it's probably right, but this is suggestive at best.

During my first years as a developer I used regularly SO. Nowadays perhaps once per month or so.

Huh, I hadn’t even thought about it, but I’m in the same boat. I haven’t needed SO since switching to Go in 2014.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by corrral »

NortySpock wrote: post #25

As a Missourian, the percentage-pageview-change data looks odd, highlighting two cities, Joplin and St. Joseph. Both cities are small, between 50,000 and 75,000 population (2020 census), and are about an hour's drive away from the nearest larger city (Joplin is near Springfield, St. Joseph is near Kansas City, and it would take 3 hours to drive from Kansas City to Springfield.) In terms of Midwest tech hubs,the ones…

I put the likelihood that the Joplin, MO / Pittsburg, KS area is becoming any kind of destination for remote tech workers at 0%. That one has to be a case of a very small number not needing to increase much to have a large percentage increase.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

shmatt wrote: post #33
themanmaran wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The southern states are pretty great. ATL (hometown) is getting more expensive but has a pretty decent tech scene. Also the best airport in the US (direct flights everywhere). I've also been interested in North Carolina for a little while. Much more affordable (compared to PNW), and has some really nice areas (Asheville, Raleigh/Durham). But transportation is a bit more limited.

ATL averages about 33% more rain than Seattle Honestly unless OP goes to California, where the housing situation is much worse, or middle of nowhere like Nevada, they're going to be much wetter (albeit in the Summer and not Winter/Spring) in most of the south

More rain yes, but that rain comes down in heavy storms instead of miserable perma-drizzle and mist. This means even days with a forecast for rain will often be sunny until the front rolls through.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by jjtheblunt »

kryptozinc wrote: post #27
ecshafer wrote: post #17

The top 10 metro areas list is interesting. Philadelphia, San Antonio, Houston, San Diego and Phoenix not on there despite all 5 being in the top 10 MSA and city population, while DC, Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, Boston are on there. I am also shocked that Portland is growing. I went to Portland this year recently, it is the worst city in the country I have been to. 90% of downtown is boarded up, city is deserted, mas…

> 90% of downtown is boarded up, city is deserted, massive homelessness crisis. Patently untrue. Portland is booming.

where? i've been to Portland many times, and haven't seen any booming.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by rootsudo »

angarg12 wrote: post #4

This year we finally moved to the US after 2 years of Covid-induced delays. We moved to Seattle because it's where my team is based. I'm far from impressed. The housing market is so inaccessible that we had to rent a house about 1 hour commute from the office. I have hardly visited the offices a handful of times since we moved, and every time there is maybe 1 or 2 people there. Also this spring seems to be one of the…

This is a common problem w/ Seattle. I've always thought that the bad weather did push enough people away in tech.

This spring is one of the wettest and coldest, but it has been going that way, wetter springs, colder winters/snows Jan-Feb

High prices and reduced value all around.

Re: The Great Decentralization? Geographic shifts and where tech talent is moving

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Post by lastofthemojito »

ecshafer wrote: post #17

The top 10 metro areas list is interesting. Philadelphia, San Antonio, Houston, San Diego and Phoenix not on there despite all 5 being in the top 10 MSA and city population, while DC, Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, Boston are on there. I am also shocked that Portland is growing. I went to Portland this year recently, it is the worst city in the country I have been to. 90% of downtown is boarded up, city is deserted, mas…

> The top 10 metro areas list is interesting. Philadelphia, San Antonio, Houston, San Diego and Phoenix not on there despite all 5 being in the top 10 MSA and city population, while DC, Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, Boston are on there.

Yeah, I found that to be an odd "top 10" as well. My guess is that they are the top 10 US metro areas from which Stack Overflow traffic originates? It'd be nice if we didn't have to guess though.

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