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The system worked fine here, they were turned away, no need to get all legal about things. If they had actually voted twice, go get ‘em.
why should an attempted crime go unpunished?
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Searching "vot" brings up one hit on that page, about a union election. Searching "elect" has several hits, none of which have to do with fraud. What part of that Wikipedia page shows unions operating like that?
That's not a page on union voting practices but on Jimmy Hoffa, the well known union boss who was also a well known criminal.
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It "seems"? There are observers and safeguards at every step. There were also 65 separate lawsuits filed around the country related to the 2020 presidential election where a judge was presented with the best evidence available that mistakes had happened (there were zero cases actually alleging fraud) and every case was tossed for failing to meet basic standards. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/08/joe-b…
I just don't think voting by mail can be done securely the way they did it. Sorry still have doubts about the integrity of your election. Somehow Biden out performed Obama with Black Americans in Detroit, who apparently came out and voted in record numbers for him. Yeah, I just don't believe it. 81 million votes. The most popular president ever. Yet the same guy couldn't get 10k views on some of his youtube videos. Y…
And you're also underestimating how many people feel utter existential dread at the prospect of another Trump term. He was if not the worst president in our history, he was assuredly the worst person to be president. We were only spared a worse outcome because he is so incredibly inept and stupid. I would vote for the slumped husk of Jimmy Carter if he ran against Trump.
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> when it does happen, 9 times out of 10 the perp turns out to be a Republican. Citation, please.
Here's the biggest voter fraud case in decades, perpetrated by republicans: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/bladen-cou...
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The point was, in keeping with the context of the story and prior comments, that you didn't have to make up people to be able to ring up votes as an insider. On the larger topic of voter registration, it shouldn't be that hard for them to keep relatively clean rolls. Even if it's not causing an issue, having clean rolls promotes the integrity of and trust in the voting system. I mean, most of the dead people voting i…
Can you provide a citation for the 35 in Philly? Here is every instance of voter fraud in 2016 in Pennsylvania: https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=PA...
By the way, that's not "every instance". The database is a "sampling".
"This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list."
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That's not a page on union voting practices but on Jimmy Hoffa, the well known union boss who was also a well known criminal.
So "it's an accurate representation of how many unions acted, and to prove my point here's a biography of a criminal with union ties." I don't see how that's proving their point.
Since you are asking me, If you read or scan the page you will see how unions historically operated in the US.
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> racism Odd that you'd throw that in there - care to explain how the linked comment is racist?
It uses the n-word? Are you looking at the comment marked dead?
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why should an attempted crime go unpunished?
I get it, but why spend resources "punishing" a feeble attempt which was immediately turned away? Maybe take their names down and audit the voter logs to make sure those folks haven't actually voted two times, but honestly it's just a waste of time and money to "punish" these folks.
game theory wise if attempting voter fraud goes unpunished, then the optimal thing to do in order to win is to attempt as much voter fraud as possible, as you have nothing to lose by trying.
is this not about as self-evident as it could possibly be?
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It’s possible. But it’s certainly more likely that if every other developed western country agrees on how we should approach those topics, and the US disagrees, that the US is the one who’s wrong here. But there’s no way to really know either way, can’t really do blind testing of this can we!
> But it’s certainly more likely that if every other developed western country agrees on how we should approach those topics That’s a bullshit statement though because countries don’t agree on how they should approach those topics. The healthcare in Canada vs UK vs Germany is starkly different. Canadians even come to the US for elective procedures. Gun access is also vastly different between Switzerland, Canada, and…
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Receipts would not have mattered here. The guilty parties were literally casting votes for people they knew would not show up. It’s an identity issue, much harder, and with its own set of controversies.
Isn't this exactly what (in theory) systems like PKI or even PGP are supposed to fix? I know this is probably techno-utopianism, but it'd be pretty cool if every resident were issued a certificate (for free) with their state or federal government as the certificate authority, which would be used for voting, paying taxes, etc. instead of ad-hoc verification systems like Name + SSN + Address. I can imagine so many horr…
Create a system like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31668814 for voting.
Voters remain anonymous yet can still verify their particular vote was counted correctly (and in fact that all votes are counted correctly)
You’d still want a paper trail.