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Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to election fraud charges

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> payments ranging from between $300 to $5,000 per election Surprisingly affordable relative to today’s campaign budgets.

Everything is cheaper when you get it at just the right point of the supply chain.

Mark Zuckerberg spend $400MM to get influence over state election offices in key swing states.

Makes you wonder.

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For some reason progressives are against voter ID laws. I've said that before and will say it again: Most of EU requires ID to vote. I will support Republicans that want to do this. It is sad to bring EU in the picture to convince progressives but it is a magic word that somehow brings logic and reason. We shouldn't have to say "They do it in EU, so it must be good". People have stopped thinking for themselves. Anyth…

How would ID laws stopped this?

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For some reason progressives are against voter ID laws. I've said that before and will say it again: Most of EU requires ID to vote. I will support Republicans that want to do this. It is sad to bring EU in the picture to convince progressives but it is a magic word that somehow brings logic and reason. We shouldn't have to say "They do it in EU, so it must be good". People have stopped thinking for themselves. Anyth…

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This was done by adding votes. The voter counts of poll watchers should not have matched those of the election officials. Why wasn't that noticed?

I would assume that, in a large city, those counts are routinely wrong and mismatches are ignored. If I try to count even a few dozen items twice in a row, I’d be lucky to get the same count twice. I can’t imagine poll counts are better.

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European countries and Canada could finish counting ballots in a day. All paper records. US had to take days, and any questioning into the process is labeled, of course, racism and right wing. It must be because the US is so advanced and progressive. It's a shame, I guess, that the damn European countries or our neighbor can't follow our lead.

Plenty of progressives have been against electronic voting machines from the beginning. What we're calling right-wing people out on is only caring about it when their candidate loses, and calling the previous election where they won "the most secure in history".

It's not about us vs them. People are labeled "right wing" when they ask questions, regardless of their political affiliation. I think that's wrong.

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Plenty of progressives have been against electronic voting machines from the beginning. What we're calling right-wing people out on is only caring about it when their candidate loses, and calling the previous election where they won "the most secure in history".

I don't understand the us v them mentality. I have lots of right wing friends and family and many of them have been against electronic voting from the beginning. For example, in my home state of oregon, many right wingers are against vote by mail and have been since oregon became the first state to go fully vote by mail. These issues are not so binary as you're making them out to be, and I think everyone would do wel…

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Voter fraud and election fraud are two entirely different things.

So all this time, "election fraud" is entirely plausible but we've been building a strawman around "voter fraud" and saying that it doesn't happen? What level of bad faith debating is this?

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This was done by adding votes. The voter counts of poll watchers should not have matched those of the election officials. Why wasn't that noticed?

Fudging your personal count to make it match means less work for you. It could be as simple as that.

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Best option is paper ballots that are machine-readable and human-readable. Cryptography doesn't help; what you need are processes which make fraud difficult (for instance, observers with line of site to all ballot boxes from when voting starts until they're counted; cross-checking counts of blank, spoiled, and voted ballot papers before & after voting, translucent ballot boxes that are clearly empty at the start of e…

And, while I think you hint at this, every single voter must be able to understand the entire process.

The manual process as described? Everyone gets it, can watch it in action. Code, encryption, are understood by few, auditable by fewer.

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This person is actually a repeat offender with a history of abusing his office. https://www.inquirer.com/news/ozzie-myers-convicted-abscam-p...

This link not only has a paywall but also has terrible dark pattern with popup etc and hijacking the back button. Just FYI.
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