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Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to election fraud charges

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How many occurred?

Luckily, Justice Department and FBI will likely have no incentives for investigating that given how they actively positioned themselves in the political debate. So we may never find out.

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Best option is paper ballots that are machine-readable and human-readable.

Cryptography doesn't help; what you need are processes which make fraud difficult (for instance, observers with line of site to all ballot boxes from when voting starts until they're counted; cross-checking counts of blank, spoiled, and voted ballot papers before & after voting, translucent ballot boxes that are clearly empty at the start of election day, etc.,)

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For some reason progressives are against voter ID laws. I've said that before and will say it again: Most of EU requires ID to vote. I will support Republicans that want to do this. It is sad to bring EU in the picture to convince progressives but it is a magic word that somehow brings logic and reason. We shouldn't have to say "They do it in EU, so it must be good".

People have stopped thinking for themselves. Anything to improve integrity of election is good. Want to put 4k cameras during vote counting process? I'll vote for that. More transparency and integrity, not less. I really don't give a shit which party wants to propel this.

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For some reason progressives are against voter ID laws. I've said that before and will say it again: Most of EU requires ID to vote. I will support Republicans that want to do this. It is sad to bring EU in the picture to convince progressives but it is a magic word that somehow brings logic and reason. We shouldn't have to say "They do it in EU, so it must be good". People have stopped thinking for themselves. Anyth…

How would ID laws stopped this?

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European countries and Canada could finish counting ballots in a day. All paper records. US had to take days, and any questioning into the process is labeled, of course, racism and right wing. It must be because the US is so advanced and progressive. It's a shame, I guess, that the damn European countries or our neighbor can't follow our lead.

It sounds like you're advocating for something like the SAFE Act:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2722

So, the Democrats are the racist right-wingers, and Mitch McConnell is the progressive in this story?

Note that, on their own, paper ballots don't actually address the attack described in the article, though the bill provides funding for mechanisms that would.

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Americans have a really tough time with the notion of materiality. America is such a big country that, as a matter of statistics, anything that can happen is happening. That doesn’t mean it happens often enough to call into question our basic systems.

In this case it’s the right that fails to grasp materiality. Yes, people vote illegally, ballot boxes get stuffed, their is collusion, etc. No, it doesn’t happen often enough to undermine the integrity of elections in the aggregate. But the left is just as susceptible to such thinking. They take, for example, a few isolated instances of innocent people being falsely convicted or forced to plead guilty as proof that such errors are pervasive and undermine the integrity of the justice system. It’s two sides of the same token.

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