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How is that an answer? If someone isn't meeting the qualifications they aren't in. What's "unacceptable" about that?
Are there qualifications other than test scores?
The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
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Re: The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
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How is that an answer? If someone isn't meeting the qualifications they aren't in. What's "unacceptable" about that?
> with similar test scores > with similar test scores > WITH SIMILAR TEST SCORES
What I found: https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2016/01/18/teachers-race-affects...
and of course the link to the gov data source in that article is broken: http://https//nces.ed.gov/ecls/
Edit: I see where they pulled the line from. Misleading at best as the "tests" they are talking about are not gifted assessment tests, but rather standardized testing which I don't think is that great of an indicator. I was in the gifted program during middle school, and that was predicated by a few admittance tests, one of them being IQ.
Re: The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
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Unacceptably white is still a horrible way to phrase this. Is the NBA unacceptably black? Why don't we remove basketball courts from inner cities and cut off black kid's feet /s eye roll BTW, I realize he is arguing for the opposite of this. edit: If you think I am racist or something let me spell it out as I did in another comment: It is not unacceptable when white children have opportunities. It is unacceptable whe…
That is a bad analogy because the NBA is not the only accessible path to a stable middle class life while school, for many people, is.
Re: The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
#74Gifted programs are "unacceptably white". WTF does that mean? I had to pass essentially an IQ test to get placed into those classes. For me, it made a big difference in being engaged in schoolwork when every class consisted of reiterating content for days which I had mastered in minutes. Edit: I removed "I don't see what race has to do with it." I do see how race can affect this when the gatekeeper is a teacher with…
Just read what he wrote? > Black students are 66% less likely to be identified as gifted compared to white students with similar test scores. Black, Latinx, and Native American students are far less likely to attend a school that even offers a gifted program.
In which case, the solution is "fund more gifted programs in schools that lack them", not "defund existing gifted programs".
Which is kinda what the article's author started to argue but never quite got there in the end.
Re: The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
#75Gifted programs are "unacceptably white". WTF does that mean? I had to pass essentially an IQ test to get placed into those classes. For me, it made a big difference in being engaged in schoolwork when every class consisted of reiterating content for days which I had mastered in minutes. Edit: I removed "I don't see what race has to do with it." I do see how race can affect this when the gatekeeper is a teacher with…
Just read what he wrote? > Black students are 66% less likely to be identified as gifted compared to white students with similar test scores. Black, Latinx, and Native American students are far less likely to attend a school that even offers a gifted program.
Perhaps "unacceptably lacking in Black students" is a less divisive way to say this, unless the decisiveness were intended and surely that's not the case.
Re: The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just read what he wrote? > Black students are 66% less likely to be identified as gifted compared to white students with similar test scores. Black, Latinx, and Native American students are far less likely to attend a school that even offers a gifted program.
Unacceptably white is still a horrible way to phrase this. Is the NBA unacceptably black? Why don't we remove basketball courts from inner cities and cut off black kid's feet /s eye roll BTW, I realize he is arguing for the opposite of this. edit: If you think I am racist or something let me spell it out as I did in another comment: It is not unacceptable when white children have opportunities. It is unacceptable whe…
Re: The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is that an answer? If someone isn't meeting the qualifications they aren't in. What's "unacceptable" about that?
> with similar test scores > with similar test scores > WITH SIMILAR TEST SCORES
Re: The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why can't we just admit it and quit trying to make people who are unique the same? America keeps conflating equity for equality.
The conflation is a very recent intellectual phenomena.
Re: The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
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How is that an answer? If someone isn't meeting the qualifications they aren't in. What's "unacceptable" about that?
> with similar test scores > with similar test scores > WITH SIMILAR TEST SCORES
Having the raw data matters.