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Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

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Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#91
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Considering Estonia is one of the most libertarian country, they are likely the only one actually measuring inflation correctly in the EU zone, not just playing with the index to make it fit a certain narrative.

> Considering Estonia is one of the most libertarian country

In what sense and compared to what exactly?

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Estonia has for quite some time tried to establish itself as a "Startup HQ" for startups both in Estonia and from the world outside of Estonia. As a result, Estonia has the 3rd highest startups-per-capita compared to other countries in Europe.

And exactly how would that cause higher inflation?????

It affects the income gap.

People in the startup sector earn _much_ more than other sectors - the difference is, if I'm not wrong, one of the biggest in the EU. So it creates a) a lot of inequality and b) drives up prices of certain goods (houses, apartments) because there's a noticeable % of the population in the startup sector who has now their sweet exit money that's looking for a new home.

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#93
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Probably the only country that is being honest about its inflation amount then.

Do you mean to say that other European countries are lying? This proposition seems knee jerk. Inflation can be computed by anyone, so I don’t even understand how you could lie about it.

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that inflation numbers are deceptive and easily manipulated. It's [controversial].

It's the decline of purchasing power over time based on a basket of goods / services. So it all depends on how you fill that basket.

[controversial]: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/consumerpriceindex....

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

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I don't understand inflation. I understand that it's a measure of the price of things, but for me there should be two types of inflations 1. a dilution of money. Let say a central bank injects a lot of new money, then all prices will be higher, but salary will be higher too, and the overall effect is neutral 2. some prices increase due to change in supply or demand (e.g. gas or cereal), but salaries and everything el…

You are right, and some central banks only use the basic interest rate as a remedy in all cases. It seems to me that case 2 cannot be solved through this mechanism.

My feeling is that most media is close to financial markets and gets corralled into its point of view.

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#95
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. If you notice, the second and third place are taken by Lithuania and Latvia respectively. A lot of 'cheapness' in all kinds of sectors came from RUS/UKR/BEL somewhere upstream. Building materials being a prime example. So, a combined effect of energy prices, sanctions on RUS, a war raging in Ukraine. But then, as Estonian prime minister said recently - sure, gas is expensive, but freedom is priceless.

> gas is expensive, but freedom is priceless. Typical politicians excuse, tbh. It's not like this has any relation to actual freedoms, only bs political slogans.

Thanks for the honesty. And Estonia had a cheaper gas when they were part of the USSR. Any actual freedoms they might or might not have back then are only _bs political slogans_.

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#96

Can anyone confirm mortgage rates in Estonia? This site[1] says ~ 2% mortgage rate, which means a -18% real rate, further pushing demand for real assets instead of paper debts. I think the US is closer to neutral, but we still have a negative mortgage real rate at the current inflation level. 1. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Estonia/mortgage_interest_r...

Can confirm. Mine is 1.63% + 6mo euribor rate (which was just raised over 0%). When you have the future possibility of 5% mortages, people will think twice about buying the currently expensive real assets.

On the other hand - can't say that real estate is exactly overvalued - recently they've been driven by rising construction and material costs.

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#97
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Lithuania we were already independent from Russian gas and oil (lesson learned over the decades), and had liquid natural gas terminal for a few years. But inflation is also very high.

It's easy for small country like Lithuania, but completely impossible for country like Germany. There is not enough gas without Russian one to feed its industry.

>but completely impossible for country like Germany. There is not enough gas without Russian one to feed its industry.

Huh, if only they could have invested enough in their local energy sector, through I don't know ... NUCLEAR!, to keep their industry energy independent of Russia, and not shut down its few remaining nukes in the middle of an energy crisis just to appease an outdated political ideology like an absolute dunce, causing energy prices across EU to further skyrockets as Germany had to compensate its internal deficit by buying from the rest.

There's a reason people undeservingly vented their frustration on Germany at Eurovision this year.

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#98
post #74

I don't understand inflation. I understand that it's a measure of the price of things, but for me there should be two types of inflations 1. a dilution of money. Let say a central bank injects a lot of new money, then all prices will be higher, but salary will be higher too, and the overall effect is neutral 2. some prices increase due to change in supply or demand (e.g. gas or cereal), but salaries and everything el…

> 1. a dilution of money. Let say a central bank injects a lot of new money, then all prices will be higher, but salary will be higher too, and the overall effect is neutral More money does not necessarily mean decreased buying power. If you have more people or if the money isn't in circulation, the buying power will stay the same, therefore not causing inflation.

>If you have more people or if the money isn't in circulation, the buying power will stay the same, therefore not causing inflation.

Exactly. Money is just another good in the economy (albeit a bit special). Its supply and demand ebbs and flows like any other.

This is one of the things I find so funny about the known quantity trait of Bitcoin. Why would you want an underlying currency that can't increase its supply? It will inevitably increase in value and people will substitute for other methods of exchange.

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#99

I don't understand inflation. I understand that it's a measure of the price of things, but for me there should be two types of inflations 1. a dilution of money. Let say a central bank injects a lot of new money, then all prices will be higher, but salary will be higher too, and the overall effect is neutral 2. some prices increase due to change in supply or demand (e.g. gas or cereal), but salaries and everything el…

Inflation is skimming from those with savings by those who control the economy.

Re: Estonia clocks fastest inflation in the Eurozone at 20.1 percent

#100
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Lithuania we were already independent from Russian gas and oil (lesson learned over the decades), and had liquid natural gas terminal for a few years. But inflation is also very high.

It's easy for small country like Lithuania, but completely impossible for country like Germany. There is not enough gas without Russian one to feed its industry.

It's completely possible for Germany, if you accept that it will completely impoverish your population and irreparably destroy the Mittelstand(which is most of Germany's industry), which stands at the crux of the German welfare system.
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