Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

Post by verve_rat » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 9:26 PM UTC

mywittyname wrote: post #352

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And in 1812 the UK was the US's biggest trading partner. And that created major tensions in the US, with New England almost threatening secession over it. But the war still happened.

The economic relationship between New England and the UK had historically been adversarial up to this point in time. New England was in direct competition with the UK, as both regions were industrial and educated. The monarchy did everything in their power to starve New England of the resources and tradesmen they needed to succeed. This is in contrast to the rest of the USA, which was supplying raw resources for indu…

Post by nradov » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 9:33 PM UTC

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There's no contradiction in interconnected economies being both better for global stability and more volatile to global instability. On a populist level, these kinds of questions are always presented as either-or, when in reality it is a pretty delicate balancing act. No, we shouldn't be completely reliant on potentially adversarial states for our basic well-being, but intertwined economies change the cost-benefit-an…

The USSR and United States had zero trade and never went to war. And since the fall of the USSR the number of conflicts has not gone down. Ukraine and Russia were very interconnected, but that did not prevent the invasion.

Post by floxy » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 9:42 PM UTC

ezsmi wrote: post #203

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ASML is in the Netherlands though. Edit: Yes ASML is obviously not a chip fab but they supply the machines that actually fabricate the chips.

Manufacturing anything large is an international affair these days. https://www.asml.com/en/news/stories/2020/inside-high-tech-m... "ASML has five manufacturing locations worldwide. Our lithography systems are assembled in cleanrooms in Veldhoven, the Netherlands, while some critical subsystems are made in different factories in San Diego, California, and Wilton, Connecticut, as well as other modules and systems in L…

Post by biztos » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 9:46 PM UTC

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Just wait 10 years until we get rid of it again like we did with AMD and Infineon.

If they're willing to build a lot of processors rather than add dangerous features to use one chip or core or whatever maybe they can make it multiples of ten years this time ;-) Wenn sie bereit sind, viele Prozessoren zu bauen, anstatt gefährliche Funktionen hinzuzufügen, um einen Chip oder Kern oder was auch immer zu verwenden, können sie dieses Mal vielleicht ein Vielfaches von zehn Jahren schaffen ;-)

Post by noselasd » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 9:51 PM UTC

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That was the main argument for global trade already in 1914. France was Germany's most important commercial partner, and vice-versa. All German rifles had stocks made from French walnut wood! All French locomotives had German-made tubing! This stupid mantra was repeated ad nauseam after 1991, too, with silly op-eds from Friedman and friends about how two countries with McDonald joints in both can't be at war and simi…

If Taiwan didn't have the world's most advanced semiconducter industry, which China (and all other nations) rely on, China would have long ago attacked it. So that's an easy example of how trade helps keeps peace.