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Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by judge2020 »

judge2020 wrote: post #168
happymellon wrote: post #81

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Except that if you don't pay your taxes, they might not take your house. If you fail to pay your lease then they will reclaim that particular item.

> if you don't pay your taxes, they might not take your house. At least in the states they absolutely do. It starts off as a tax lien which is then sold to whoever wants to buy it, so that the private sector handles actually reclaiming the land and re-listing it on the stock market.

I realize my huge mistake calling it the "stock market". It's the real estate market.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by nix23 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #155
nix23 wrote: post #11

Just as a reminder, there is https://freedns.afraid.org/ too..with lots of free domains.

And let's not forget the ever popular, ever spam filled domains managed by https://dot.tk Like always, free domains often come with weird or shady requirements, I wouldn't rely on them too much. That said, they're great if you're not willing to spend money on a domain yet and just want to experiment.

>I wouldn't rely on them too much.

Yeah don't rely on free stuff like google workspace legacy ;)

But it's also a really good dns server.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by zajio1am »

southerntofu wrote: post #91
logifail wrote: post #82

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> Ownership is a nebulous concept with many interpretations It may have become that, but was it always that way, though? I grew up being pretty clear on the distinction between purchasing a book in a bookshop and borrowing a book from the school or public library.

> I grew up being pretty clear on the distinction between purchasing a book in a bookshop and borrowing a book from the school or public library. Very good point that proves "ownership" means different things: private property under capitalism is different from a common/public property such as a book from a library. For most of history, land was not "owned" by anyone. See also "enclosure of the commons" for some read…

Even capitalistic authors (e.g. Adam Smith) distinguish land ownership and capital ownership. So the fact that land ownership had special status in history does not say much about 'regular' private property.

There is no practical difference between personal property and private property. If i have lathe in my workshop that i use just for hobby purposes, then it is personal property. If i started business, put that lathe in that business and use it for work, then it is private property / capital. But in both cases it is the same lathe that someone has to produce, someone has to pay for it, someone has to maintain it and can be bought and sold on open market.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by Kab1r »

easrng wrote: post #176
bunya017 wrote: post #107

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how did you do it? I can't get mine to work

I haven't used eu.org but for my afraid.org subdomain IIRC I had to point it at an existing server for Cloudflare to recognize it as a real site and give me the NS records.

Yep, I think this is how I did with eu.org

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by sam0x17 »

vinay427 wrote: post #69
usr1106 wrote: post #16

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What's the difference for an end user except for the extra dot? Isn't that the same with co.uk or com.au? Americans may find that inconvenient, more radical tongues call it a sign of US imperialism that .com is often associated with the home for US companies. Right, technically and probably legally there was a list of domains that you cannot register because they act as a "top-level" like co.uk. Not sure how official…

> Americans may find that inconvenient, more radical tongues call it a sign of US imperialism that .com is often associated with the home for US companies. I'm not sure why you felt the need to try and make some point about US imperialism in a discussion about a TLD with an extra dot when plenty of countries have a TLD that is customarily used without an extra dot: .de, .ch, .nl, .es, .ie, etc. It's simply a matter o…

How the TLDs work is a really classic example of US imperialism. For example .gov is impossible to get for non-US entities, yet literal towns have .gov domains within the US, and there are even examples of people using .ca to mean california. Meanwhile outside countries have to resort to things like .gov.uk. That's right, tiny rural towns in the US have a better domain than the main UK government sites.

Likewise .com typically implies US, as affirmed by the .com.mx, etc variants

If ICANN wasn't super biased towards favoring the US, do you really think .gov would have been approved in the first place?

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by brnt »

easrng wrote: post #175
jeroenhd wrote: post #155

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And let's not forget the ever popular, ever spam filled domains managed by https://dot.tk Like always, free domains often come with weird or shady requirements, I wouldn't rely on them too much. That said, they're great if you're not willing to spend money on a domain yet and just want to experiment.

dot.tk will take away your domains if they get popular and redirect them to ads. Also, their website is a pain to use. I haven't heard of afraid.org doing any nefarious things. I used to use a domain from them ( https://easrng.us.to/ ) before I got https://easrng.net and never had any problems.

I had this too. Very annoying. I only use them as private shortcut domains now.

Also, they tended to be flagged when hooked up to services (mail hosts for example).

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by usr1106 »

ricardo81 wrote: post #23
usr1106 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference for an end user except for the extra dot? Isn't that the same with co.uk or com.au? Americans may find that inconvenient, more radical tongues call it a sign of US imperialism that .com is often associated with the home for US companies. Right, technically and probably legally there was a list of domains that you cannot register because they act as a "top-level" like co.uk. Not sure how official…

>technically The 'public suffix list' is one: https://publicsuffix.org/learn/

Yes, that's the list I had in mind.

So it's not a normative document, but an empirical document maintained by volunteers. The introduction tells what is the difference between a domain (registered by one entity) and a subdomain (any number can be created by the same entity): If a website sets cookies for something above their domain, e.g. co.uk or org.eu the cookie would be valid on other entities' websites. Browsers use this list to prevent that. eu.org and it's non-registerable subdomains are correctly listed.

As a whole this looks a bit fragile, depending on volunteer work. Or you could say positively good old internet style: No single government or company controlling it.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by usr1106 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #154
usr1106 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference for an end user except for the extra dot? Isn't that the same with co.uk or com.au? Americans may find that inconvenient, more radical tongues call it a sign of US imperialism that .com is often associated with the home for US companies. Right, technically and probably legally there was a list of domains that you cannot register because they act as a "top-level" like co.uk. Not sure how official…

The difference is that this is just a website that offers subdomains and not a TLD. co.uk and com.au operate very differently through a network of registrars and such. The same company that put restrictions on the .uk TLD also manages the co.uk domain in a similar fashion to other TLDs, for example. You won't see co.uk ever expire because it's owned and manages by the same company that manages the TLD, but it's perfe…

Other countries were added in the mid/late 80s. That's well before most American companies got their domain. In a more equal world co.us or com.us would have been the primary place for domestic use once it has been clear that it's no longer a national thing.

I have no strong feelings about this part of US dominance, it's just a fact of life. There are worse things. Like US agencies doing mass surveillance on foreigners worldwide. Or using extra-terratorial sanctions, assuming they are world-government.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by sgjohnson »

happymellon wrote: post #180
judge2020 wrote: post #168

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> if you don't pay your taxes, they might not take your house. At least in the states they absolutely do. It starts off as a tax lien which is then sold to whoever wants to buy it, so that the private sector handles actually reclaiming the land and re-listing it on the stock market.

That is just how US law is structured though. They could just as easily say that they will reclaim the loss through recovery of your assets or by weight in blood. https://www.bristol.gov.uk/council-tax/what-happens-if-you-d... In the UK the process is different, which just shows that they don't have to take your house to reclaim outstanding taxes. The point is that the government has options, if the property recovery…

Council tax is not the same as property tax.

Re: Eu.org, free domain names since 1996

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Post by tasuki »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #83
tasuki wrote: post #78

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Something something blockchain! I believe for "real" ownership of domain names, a blockchain would actually make sense.

How would the blockchain saying that you "own" a domain make you own it more than currently? It is impossible for the blockchain to prove anything about anything that originates from outside of that particular blockchain. This is the reason why wanting to apply blockchain to everything such as land ownership is laughable and shows how little blockchain fanatics understand about the very technology they praise.

> How would the blockchain saying that you "own" a domain make you own it more than currently?

There would have to be consensus that the particular blockchain is the source of truth for who owns which domain.

> It is impossible for the blockchain to prove anything about anything that originates from outside of that particular blockchain.

Yes, and this is something that wouldn't be necessary with blockchain-based domain names. It would not need to know about anything that originates from the outside.

> This is the reason why wanting to apply blockchain to everything such as land ownership is laughable and shows how little blockchain fanatics understand about the very technology they praise.

I'm far from a blockchain fanatic and using blockchain for land ownership is obviously laughable to me.

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