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Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

Who looks at the Mongol empire fondly?

currently CCP

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

#112

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

The worst Empire in that case is USA with how they obliterated the North American populations and wiped out many tribes.

Weird comment. The USA didn't treat the Indians with white gloves but there are surely more egregious examples in history. Vlad the impaler? Ivan the terrible? Various African warlords?

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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I don't know if we can call them the most evil. There are plenty of contenders, even if the death rates don't match up. If we go purely by deathrates then we should pick communist china or the soviet union. If we go by barbarity the mongol empire, the timurids, and the japanese empire (talking the one from ww2) are all good contenders. Imperial japan was so bad that the nazi ambassador to china in nanking did his bes…

I mean Mongols depopulated entire large cities. E.g. the entire population of Merv, which was one of the world's largest cities at the time, was killed.

yeah but I was talking about brutality vs numbers.

the commies killed far more than anyone by numbers and in barbaric ways, but their brutality was beaten by those who killed less in more gruesome ways.

the mongols excelled at both but I argued by brutality imperial japan was a bit worse.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

#114

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

The worst Empire in that case is USA with how they obliterated the North American populations and wiped out many tribes.

This is so absurd and disrespectful to the Native American warriors. Only a person completely ignorant of basically anything to do with Native American history would say something like this in this context.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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It may surprise you but basically every empire did genocide at one point or another. “Total war” wasn’t a thing in premodern history because every war was a total war.

This is essentially incorrect. While we can point to legendary incidents such as Carthage in the history of empires, the Mongols are notable in premodern history for systemically using this as a strategy to conquer large rivals by fear and hold a territory size that conventional pre-modern empire building would not allow. Regardless of morality, most empires were better positioned to preserve and exploit life and pro…

>that conventional pre-modern empire building would not allow I dunno if I'd say this is truly the case. The Mongol Empire was the largest pre-modern empire, yes, but there were other ones spanning millions of square kilometers (multiple pre-horde Chinese dynasties) and several continents (the various caliphates) with these 'conventional' methods.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Sounds interesting, I would read that. There is a lot of fascinating literature about differences in gender roles between western and eastern Germany behind the iron curtain.

There were white supremacist women who were also pro-suffrage. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/05/suffra... Intersectionality cuts both ways.

Interestingly, Neo-Nazi groups were some of the first to establish a relationship with the more right wing civil rights groupsm. George Lincoln Rockwell had a personal relationship with Malcom X, on the basis of shared views of anti-semitism and racial separatism. Which, of course, Malcom X would later change his opinions of and denounce.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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The worst Empire in that case is USA with how they obliterated the North American populations and wiped out many tribes.

This is so absurd and disrespectful to the Native American warriors. Only a person completely ignorant of basically anything to do with Native American history would say something like this in this context.

What is absurd or disrespectful about pointing out the genocide of Native Americans?

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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> After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Never forget that history is written by the victors. The Mongol Empire was replaced by the Russian Empire.

In China?

Obviously not.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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The worst Empire in that case is USA with how they obliterated the North American populations and wiped out many tribes.

This is so absurd and disrespectful to the Native American warriors. Only a person completely ignorant of basically anything to do with Native American history would say something like this in this context.

What the fuck are you talking about the original commentator stated how mongol should not be talked about because of the things they did. I just pointed out that Americans have done similar or worse. Are you aware native american population is estimated to be around 100 million year 1500 and only 5-6 million were left by 1650.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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The worst Empire in that case is USA with how they obliterated the North American populations and wiped out many tribes.

Weird comment. The USA didn't treat the Indians with white gloves but there are surely more egregious examples in history. Vlad the impaler? Ivan the terrible? Various African warlords?

How many Indians were there before Columbus? How many remains? Compare it with the numbers for the examples you provided.
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