Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was only 4 years, hardly an era.
Trump was yet another demonstration that Americans can't be trusted.
Going a bit far there
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#142German investment again going to foreign companies, the very opposite of strategic sovereignty. The Trump era should be enough evidence that there are no friends in geo-politics, just temporary alliances of convenience.
That was only 4 years, hardly an era.
Also hardly anomalous. Trumpism didn't vanish just because Trump lost the election, rather it's become mainstream within the political establishment. Every four years now the world has to wonder whether the coin is going to land again on sane or crazy.
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#143Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
#144A more interdependent world is a friendlier and more secure world. When countries are completely independent of each other they will be able to more easily shrug off economic consequences of their aggression. Economic ties also foster greater cultural exchange and understanding, so the less of those there are the insular and navel-gazing the inhabitants of such countries will tend to be, which will also increase the…
I think that argument has been lost. Russia still invaded Ukraine and China still took Hong Kong backwards. America has invaded many countries. Taiwan is under threat. Interconnectedness doesn’t seem to matter a great deal when you have either a ruthless dictator in power or a country has a strong military advantage.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's about national security. A fab is necessary for national security
Subsidizing an American company is not necessary for Germany's security. In fact, it undermines it.
Ideally, the EU would be trying to build its own semiconductor industry. I don't see that kind of foresight in any of our political leaders, much less mine in Germany. So the next best thing is to ensure that the current company we're reliant on builds local production.
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#146How many RISC-V research centers could be created with that money?
And build those designs where?
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#147A more interdependent world is a friendlier and more secure world. When countries are completely independent of each other they will be able to more easily shrug off economic consequences of their aggression. Economic ties also foster greater cultural exchange and understanding, so the less of those there are the insular and navel-gazing the inhabitants of such countries will tend to be, which will also increase the…
That has been the prevailing thought since before WWI, but multiple World Wars and Russia's invasion of Ukraine this year have proven otherwise. Do you know who was the biggest trading partner of Nazi Germany on the eve of Operation Barbarossa? You guessed it, the Soviet Union. It was responsible for the vast majority of imports of critical resources like various metals, oil, grain, etc. It didn't stop Hitler. Do you…
The difficult thing about even very good prevention is that the absence of events is difficult to prove.
Is interconnection perfect? obviously not. Does interconnection prevent more conflicts vs fully independent nations? Likely yes.
I think what we are seeing is societies and governments forgetting how bad wars are for stability, on a backdrop of slowing or reversing quality of life for many modern nations.
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#148It's going to be a while before we are not depending on China. If you look at this 2020 Apple List of Suppliers: https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple-Supp... you can see the large variety of companies they they rely on for manufacturing. Plugging this into Excel, you get the following distribution: Country Count: China 156 Japan 40 US 30 Taiwan 26 South Korea 23 Vietnam 21 Malaysia 15 Philippines 1…
China 156
Japan 40
US 30
Taiwan 26
South Korea 23
Vietnam 21
Malaysia 15
Philippines 15
Thailand 15
Singapore 14
India 9
Germany 8
United Kingdom 4
Austria 3
Mexico 3
Belgium 2
Brazil 2
Czech Republic 2
France 2
Indonesia 2
Australia 1
Cambodia 1
Costa Rica 1
Finland 1
Ireland 1
Israel 1
Italy 1
Malta 1
Netherlands 1
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
No but it is the monopoly supplier of the single most important device for fabs. If ASML (and all their knowledge) disappeared off the face of the earth today progress in semiconductors would probably be set back a decade or two. The fact they are a single company in one country that the global industry depends on for progress in semis should be of concern.
What company has the next-best litho machines after ASML?
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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab
#150A more interdependent world is a friendlier and more secure world. When countries are completely independent of each other they will be able to more easily shrug off economic consequences of their aggression. Economic ties also foster greater cultural exchange and understanding, so the less of those there are the insular and navel-gazing the inhabitants of such countries will tend to be, which will also increase the…
You can tell that to all the countries in Africa that are interdependently connected to Ukraine's grain.