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i don't buy this 'a good contender for iOS'. they are different leagues. The people that consider an android or ios as equals and decide on device color or price won't even know what this table is about. history is repeating. iOS is a IBM mainframe. with it's golden cuffs. Android is the radio shack PC. with it's "require soldering". i give that android is still in it's infancy. and that the availability of OSes are…
There may be some truth to that for the type of person who reads HN, but it's certainly not true for the wider public. Most people don't care about having full control of their mobile device, they just want it to work.
Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
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Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
The chart cuts off after 3 years - the point is that the original iPhone was supported with the current version of iOS for 2 years after the last one was sold (minus two days - iOS 4, the first version to drop support, came out June 21, 2010). On AT&T, at least, most iPhone customers are eligible for an upgrade after 18 months because of the cost of their plan, so everyone was eligible, by a significant margin, for a…
Not true if you got a 2nd generation iPhone. You could have gotten a 3G as the latest phone and been unsupported for 9 months on an 18 month contract.
Supporting phones 24 months after selling them does hold some merit, as that's the upgrade cycle the consumer is contractually incentivized to meet.
Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
#183The current situation is somewhat unfair to the indiscrete / non-tech-savvy consumer since they might buy an Android phone without understanding the differences from the iOS ecosystem. At least several of my friends did. "They're about the same right? And this one was $30 cheaper!" And I genuinely feel bad every time this happens. Note that I of course have no gripes with Android OS/concept itself -- it's a good cont…
Are OS updates really that important for most consumers? I have a Desire running Froyo. I don't think I've really missed out on a huge amount by not getting Gingerbread.
Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
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Didn't they address that in a subsequent iOS 4 update? My understanding is that 3G iOS4 support got a lot more tolerable.
4.2.1 did improve things significantly, but it only made the 3G go from "completely unusable" to "slightly painful to use". The device is still much slower and less smooth than on 3.1 due to higher base memory requirements (as a result, not only are most applications slower to load some will not load at all on 4.2 and will instead crash due to going OOM and not being able to clear out anything upon receiving an OOM s…
My own app FemCal, runs pretty well on 3.1.3 on a 2G, but I think almost everything is a struggle for iOS 4 on the 3G.
In particular, the new Facebook app appears to be unusable on the 3G nowadays.
Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
#185Great graph. and to think i switched from a series of Nokia phones (because they loose support every 6mo, to the point you can't even buy a working headset cable or extra charger for them) and bought a nexus one because i thought "spending $700 to buy an OPEN phone directly from google will get updated software for life and consistent use of cables and standards"
To be fair, you do get to use all of the new accessories and cables. Plus if you want to run ICS, while Google may not support it, it certainly seems like Cyanogen will have a version for the N1.
the desktop dock and car dock was discontinued what? 4 months after the launch?
HTC only resumed selling 1.5yrs later. During that period the car dock was selling for $200 used on ebay. I have no idea if HTC still sells those now, but wouldn't be surprised if not.
As for "new accessories" i bet most of them will use the near field thingy and be useless for the nexus one.
Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
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Android has all the drivers it needs. The real difference is that Android systems are locked down in ways more annoying to circumvent than your average Windows OEM junkware install. It is easy to uninstall junkware on Windows, and to pop in a CD to upgrade or crossgrade the OS.
> It is easy to uninstall junkware on Windows, and to pop in a CD to upgrade or crossgrade the OS. Can you enlighten me as to what it means to "crossgrade the OS". Native english speaker and I've never heard the term :)
Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
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I'd say Gingerbread will still be the most pre-installed Android version during all 2012.
That's highly doubtful. After the source is available the full transition to the new OS by all manufacturers, even the cheap ones, seems to take about 6 months. Gingerbread source was released last December and there were no Froyo devices being sold by summer.
Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
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To be fair, you do get to use all of the new accessories and cables. Plus if you want to run ICS, while Google may not support it, it certainly seems like Cyanogen will have a version for the N1.
hum... you may want to check your facts. the desktop dock and car dock was discontinued what? 4 months after the launch? HTC only resumed selling 1.5yrs later. During that period the car dock was selling for $200 used on ebay. I have no idea if HTC still sells those now, but wouldn't be surprised if not. As for "new accessories" i bet most of them will use the near field thingy and be useless for the nexus one.
The desktop dock is still sold by HTC, but the car dock doesn't appear to be. Regardless, they're just a device that holds the phone and charges it. There are plenty of generic docks that still /do/ that (and probably a few third party ones that do it as well).
Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
4.2.1 did improve things significantly, but it only made the 3G go from "completely unusable" to "slightly painful to use". The device is still much slower and less smooth than on 3.1 due to higher base memory requirements (as a result, not only are most applications slower to load some will not load at all on 4.2 and will instead crash due to going OOM and not being able to clear out anything upon receiving an OOM s…
I say this somewhat tongue in cheek, but you wouldn't say 'improve' if you'd ever seen my wife swearing at her phone. My own app FemCal, runs pretty well on 3.1.3 on a 2G, but I think almost everything is a struggle for iOS 4 on the 3G. In particular, the new Facebook app appears to be unusable on the 3G nowadays.
Improve over 4.0, which was completely and utterly unusable. I still have my 3G, so I can see what it is daily. A 4.2.1 3G is generally slow and laggy, but for the most part it works (as far as I'm concerned anyway: all tapbot applications run acceptably, Instapaper, Wikipanion and Terminology work and so do most — though not all — of my games).
Not saying it's great, or even good (compared to 3.1), but that I can use my phone is a net improvement over 4.0, which had essentially killed the bloody thing.
> In particular, the new Facebook app appears to be unusable on the 3G nowadays.
I wouldn't know about that. I have no use for facebook's application.
Re: Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support
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> It is easy to uninstall junkware on Windows, and to pop in a CD to upgrade or crossgrade the OS. Can you enlighten me as to what it means to "crossgrade the OS". Native english speaker and I've never heard the term :)
I guess "crossgrade" means installing another equivalent version of Windows. Installing anything other would most probably be an "upgrade".
I knew who wrote this comment before I read the name.