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That's also my understanding. So Macbook Air 2022 with MagSafe charging will be completely legal as long as the USB-C can be used for charging.
That is good because I think as late as three years ago there was still at least one "laptop" (possibly more, only one I have heard of) which were heavy desktop replacement that required two power bricks during some gaming.
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How is tesla's connector nicer?
It’s a lot smaller, locks into the car while charging, and doesn’t have an extra flap you have to open when using DC fast charging.
The EU plug locks into the car while charging. Not sure why you think it doesn't.
There's also no obligation to have an extra flap, my Model 3 does not.
USB-C is still copyrighted so it's really just forcing customers to pay for proprietary connectors? This also bans cheap phones like these https://www.androidpolice.com/nokias-newest-android-go-phone...
By the way, that's also how Tesla and all other cars have the same electric plug in EU(not the USB mandate but the car plug standardisation mandate). Of course, the first thing that comes to mind is what happens if better solutions are found. Will EU block innovation? That question is addressed in the Q&A: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_... In essence, they seem to believe that wired char…
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> Will EU block innovation? It already has. Tesla's connector is nicer (you can call that subjective but it isn't) and the supercharging network in the US is deploying the clunky standard sort of connector as well. If EU legislation were universal, that would preclude any future where the superior connector is licensed and takes over from the crappy designed-by-committee alternative, because Tesla would be forced to…
EU is a densely populated place where having multiple charging networks of incomparable plugs will be horrible. When you are not happy with decisions the governments make, it usually means that you should be involved in the process of making the decisions. Europeans don't trust that the industry will always come up with the best solutions for the user, Americans usually don't trust the government doing something well…
In the short term, yes. In the long term however competition between these different standards will cause consolidation and overall technology improvement. The next step will be regulating wireless charging so that all devices have to use/do the same thing, rinse-wash-repeat.
> Europeans don't trust that the industry will always come up with the best solutions for the user, Americans usually don't trust the government doing something well unless it's the military. Let's agree to disagree.
A better way to think about this is that both "groups" can learn from one another. For example you could say that Europeans should be suspicious about USB-C manufacturers and advocates effectively being granted a monopoly in the name of convenience. Americans should better trust that certainly in the case of infrastructure it makes sense to have a single standard "plug" for electric vehicles because we really need as many people driving them as possible in the most convenient way.
More specifically I would shift from implementation (How?) to actual requirements (What?). The implementation is a decision of the manufacturer. Examples:
* User-replaceable batteries # By Screw? Coin? Flip/Notch on outside? Behind Backcover? Whatever.
* Hardware-maintenance-manuals # Explosion Diagrams? Text? Step-by-Step? Whatever.
* Locally user replaceable firm- and software! # By Thumbdrive? SD-Card? USB-Cable? Whatever.
I don't have an apple phone, but my daughter does, and I've always thought that mechanically at least the Apple connector was better because it had less bits to go wrong. USB C, like micro USB has that "tongue" piece that has to fit inside the end of the cable which always looks like it could snap off. The Apple connector is just a solid piece that goes in the end of the phone. No fiddly interlock pieces.
In all the discussions I've seen where people complain about USB-C, not once have I read about that tab snapping off, so it does not seem to be a problem in practice. The reason USB-C has the tab on the device is to have the springs, which are the bits which can go wrong the most, on the cable instead of the device. When they start to become loose, you only have to replace an inexpensive cable, instead of having to r…
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> "No funny cables, why don't you try wireless charging of your liking if USB-C doesn't cut it for you?". it boils down to "as long as the USB-C is provided" anyway electric plugs have been a standard for decades, better options to supply energy have come out, the plugs have stayed the same. I don't understand the FOMO.
> it boils down to "as long as the USB-C is provided" Can you provide a source? AFAIK you can have a device without USB-C and only wireless charging.
in so far as they are capable of being recharged via wired charging, shall:
so you can have all the funny cables you want, as long as you provide the USB-C plug
If there is no wired charging, there is no problem of funny cables.
but companies are free to experiment all the kinds of wired charging they want, it's just more convenient to have a standard and they'll comply happily I guess, now that they are forced by the law and can stop competing on stupid stuff like charging cables.
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> What problem is the EU solving here? Everything works together, except Apple stuff.
What does work together mean in this case, it’s not like we’re talking Ethernet where these devices are communicating to each other. Like I can’t use an android charger? Lightning to usb-c cables are pretty much standard. It seems like in the short term anyways this increases e-waste as all my old Lightning chargers become deprecated.
Apple's phones are quite locked down, and I think a big reason why is that proprietary lightning connector. When you have a usb port for charging, there is no excuse for not implementing the full standard software-side.
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You forget that everything now being USB or Lightning is in part due to the EU attempting to harmonize the market on USB before today. All the larger market leaders signed an agreement to move to USB, which Apple understood as "USB at the charger" apparently. But the EU pushing this for the past decades is responsible for almost everything being interoperable.
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I hope this regulation will finally kill their lightning port.