Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

bloomberg.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

171–180 of 261 posts

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#171

Post by bluGill »

MisterTea wrote: post #154
flyinglizard wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also active safety driver aids which prevent accidents in the first place. If you can afford a new car, by all means you should.

Most of the safety driver aids seem to paper over incompetency and the fact that people can't put their phones down while operating a deadly vehicle. Been driving for 20+ years and no accidents. I also mainly drive older vehicles without any such tech save for ABS. Stay focused on the task at hand and be responsible. If you cant do that, then surrender your drivers license and use an alternative transportation method…

> Been driving for 20+ years and no accidents

That is luck not skill. Humans are not good drives and never can be.

> Stay focused on the task at hand and be responsible.

That helps. It would help some more if you would also get updated training - safety engineers have discovered a lot of things over the years that few people know.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#172

Post by jstream67 »

CameronNemo wrote: post #100
cormacrelf wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're even reliable in the way they break down. Parts are cheap worldwide, every mechanic ever can work with them, and the service life of components seems to be staggered such that you only get a couple of issues a year even on a 20 year old model like mine. If you think all is lost at 500,000km, just buy a new engine for like $1000 and sail away in your little Ship of Theseus that refuses to die. The purchase pri…

I really hope an electric car model will take up the mantle for reliability and repair ability. Toyota is lagging hard in the EV space. Maybe those Chevy Bolts will last a while? Or the Kia EVs? Probably the F150s, but I'd prefer a compact.

That would probably be Tesla? I suppose it depends on your definition of repair-ability. Telsa has a high degree of parts compatibility and seems able to keep even the older 2012 era Model S repaired.

There are a lot of high mileage Teslas out there. Most of Tesla's negative reputation seems to be people complaining about fit and finish (paint, panel gaps). The actual mechanical reliability seems to be quite higher than a normal ICE car. However EVs are still pretty new so long term data is still being collected.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#173

Post by causi »

empyrrhicist wrote: post #162
causi wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. I've been doing similar research myself and was surprised at how highway driving can disadvantage EVs. They'll never be as expensive per mile as an ICE vehicle but I found the fact I spend most of my commute at 80mph significantly decreased the savings.

I mean, driving at 80 vs 70 will also vastly decrease your ICE mileage, it's just less noticeable until you go to fill up.

I mean, driving at 80 vs 70 will also vastly decrease your ICE mileage

It definitely increases the drag, but after spending a week driving at 70 the difference in mileage was almost unnoticeable. It helps that I have a small, aerodynamic car that's geared high instead of a truck or blocky SUV.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#174

Post by itsoktocry »

max51 wrote: post #82
derefr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dealerships hate carrying extra inventory because it costs money to finance the vehicles until they sell them. Why aren't dealerships just consignment stores for cars? That seems like it'd work out better for everyone involved. (And they could still follow "manufacturers can't sell direct" regulations, by having the dealership buy the car from the manufacturer just-in-time to resell it, once they've already got a s…

>Why aren't dealerships just consignment stores for cars? That seems like it'd work out better for everyone involved. It wouldn't be better for the dealership when you take into the fact that they are a dying business that literally everyone (car manufacturers, clients, etc.) hate. The only thing that keeps them in business is laws that were passed so f()cking long ago that your grand parent were not even born yet. T…

>It wouldn't be better for the dealership when you take into the fact that they are a dying business that literally everyone (car manufacturers, clients, etc.) hate. The only thing that keeps them in business is laws that were passed so f()cking long ago that your grand parent were not even born yet.

There is no evidence of this. Dealerships exist, and flourish, all over the world where no such business laws exist.

Their business will change and adapt, some dealerships will fail, but "everyone hates" them is a major exaggeration.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#175

Post by itsoktocry »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #59
grog454 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In future American OEMs may move to a more European model where vehicles are built to specific customer order. That's it, I'm moving to Europe.

You don't have to do that. Many if not most automakers, both foreign and domestic, already accept custom orders through their dealers. You're not going to like the wait time, though.

>Many if not most automakers, both foreign and domestic, already accept custom orders through their dealers.

Exactly. You can order whatever the hell you want from a dealer.

So many misinformed comments in these car threads, I'm skeptical people have any experience here.

And, in fact, many OEMs are moving in the opposite direction; they offer a couple trims, and that's what you get.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#176

Post by bluGill »

kube-system wrote: post #33
csours wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclosure: I work for GM. Anything expressed here is solely my own opinion and experience. I think each statement is true. Context: for ages, OEMs (the factory) have had a belief that Americans will not wait to buy a car. There's also a bit of a prisoner's dilemma: if any automaker wanted to trim inventories, the customer could go to a competing automaker's lot and buy today. Since customers will not wait to buy a c…

> Context: for ages, OEMs (the factory) have had a belief that Americans will not wait to buy a car. There's also a bit of a prisoner's dilemma: if any automaker wanted to trim inventories, the customer could go to a competing automaker's lot and buy today. Since customers will not wait to buy a car, a dealership must have some quantity of vehicles that are acceptable to buy today. I think this is mostly true, for a…

Every day there are several major crashes where a car is totaled: cannot be fixed and so the person needs a new one now. There are also a lot of people who wait until their old car breaks completely before deciding to get a new one (the car may or may not be repairable, many people give up on a perfectly good car). Both of these cases are high profit margin I need a car now I'll take what I can get.

Someone who is willing to order a car and wait is more likely to look for a better deal if they can get it.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#177

Post by voidmain0001 »

MobileVet wrote: post #73
ck2 wrote: post #60

Just in time for $6 gas. Are people seriously going to buy anything other than a hybrid or full EV at this point?

My neighbor bought a new Camry Hybrid. It gets 50mpg+ for under 30k. That is impressive.

My neighbour bought a 2017 Cadillac Escalade V8 supercharged during the pandemic that gets 7.1L/100km (33MPG) on the highway due to displacement on demand and they live in the country so it has worked out well for them as they need the 4x4 and the space of the vehicle. I was annoyed since that's better consumption than my 4 cylinder econo-box.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#178

Post by staticman2 »

argonaut wrote: post #116
walrus01 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Context: for ages, OEMs (the factory) have had a belief that Americans will not wait to buy a car. On the contrary, we recently added a 3rd car, and it ended up being a $4000 used Toyota Camry. My first choice would have been a Corolla or civic but none were available at a reasonable price, condition and mileage. Due to the well known rise in used car prices. It's in good enough condition and meets all the requirem…

I'm all for frugality, but with a newer car you're getting vastly improved crash safety. Over the years crash safety ratings have gotten tougher and tougher. You can browse the IIHS crash rating history for the Camry (or any other car) and you can often observe that when the IIHS introduces a new test, cars often perform poorly on it (high likelihood of injury) initially, but get better later on. https://www.iihs.org…

That doesn't show you are getting vastly improved crash safety.

Only looking at injury data in the real world would show that.

It's my understanding new cars are not significantly safer than cars from 10 years ago.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#179

Post by zachshefska »

The ripple effects from the chip shortage will be felt for years … nearly all new cars are already “spoken for” and consumers will still be paying MSRP & MSRP+ for 12-18 months. What happens to used car prices over the coming 2-3 years will be fascinating. So many people will be underwater on their car loans.

Re: Carmakers feel chip crisis easing

#180

Post by itsoktocry »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #122
exitb wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As usual with this type of advice, it wouldn’t work that way if everyone approached dealerships like that.

And it shouldn't work like that. Haggling the price of a car simply shouldn't be something that is done. Every vehicle for sale should have the price listed on it. No dealer should expect more and folks that think it is too much should simply not buy.

>Every vehicle for sale should have the price listed on it.

They do. It's called MSRP. You can walk into any dealer in Canada (and presumably the US) and pay it. The price is on the website or the car window.

Why do you care if other people are able to haggle for a better deal?

Post reply on HN