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EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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Why?

Lightning is a far superior plug than usb-c (don’t tell me about data transfer, I don’t care, I care about the durability and ease of plugging of the plug itself), I have MANY lightning cables (that I will have to throw away, how is that good for e-waste?), and in a more general sense the law basically forbids evolution. I am livid that they’d do something like that instead of working on actual stuff like forbidding…

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Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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2024? There's still plenty of time for them to remove the port altogether and go with just MagSafe/Qi. Which they control, and they still can get fees from. Trust me when I say that Apple will NEVER submit to this legislation, they will find every sort of obscure or arcane tricks to comply with it without actually doing it. It would set a precedent that legislating can change Apple's behaviour, which they clearly do…

Then Apple will be fined billions until they yield, just as every other tech company has tried to do in the EU and failed.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I want to like this, but I charge my iPhone with a cable that has lightning on one end and USB-C on the other, and I know from extensive direct experience that the lightning end is the better physical design. Supporting this is tantamount to believing that there will never need to be a USB-D that improves upon USB-C, and I just can’t believe that.

The problem with lightning is that the springs that fix the plug in place are on the port, not the cable.

This is the part that wears out, and when it does, the port will need to be replaced, not the cable.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I want to like this, but I charge my iPhone with a cable that has lightning on one end and USB-C on the other, and I know from extensive direct experience that the lightning end is the better physical design. Supporting this is tantamount to believing that there will never need to be a USB-D that improves upon USB-C, and I just can’t believe that.

> I know from extensive direct experience that the lightning end is the better physical design.

What's so great about it? USB-C is just as easy to plug in and these cables usually last longer. The only difference for me is that Lightning eventually ends up with black pins and I have to buy another cable.

Also, is it really worth the few technical advantages if the alternative is a good-enough plug that works with absolutely everything?

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I wish USB-C was more robust, or at least had the option of being more robust. I miss not being scared of accidentally stepping on my laptop charge connector and crushing it flat. I'd pay good money for a type-C un-flattener.

Yeah. Type c is worse then micro or mini in this regard but still no where as bad as type A. I can't tell you how many USB cables I have thrown away because office chairs have run over the ends.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Lightning is a far superior plug than usb-c (don’t tell me about data transfer, I don’t care, I care about the durability and ease of plugging of the plug itself), I have MANY lightning cables (that I will have to throw away, how is that good for e-waste?), and in a more general sense the law basically forbids evolution. I am livid that they’d do something like that instead of working on actual stuff like forbidding…

So Apple should share its proprietary connector (good luck with that) for free (?) and everyone else should adopt it (good luck with that too) because _you_ bought a bunch of cables ? I don't see Samsung and the other big ones investing in a whole new connector for their entire lineup to please Europe, whereas apple already has usb-c devices

They're both equally easy to use, lightning is just slower. Seems like it's just your personal case, I have 0 lightning cables and maybe 5 usb-c, it would be equally a waste to throw them away.

Also, nothing forbids evolution, usb-c evolved a lot already, you just have to make it backward compatible. I haven't bought a usb cable since I got my pixel 3 and everything works just fine

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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I want to like this, but I charge my iPhone with a cable that has lightning on one end and USB-C on the other, and I know from extensive direct experience that the lightning end is the better physical design. Supporting this is tantamount to believing that there will never need to be a USB-D that improves upon USB-C, and I just can’t believe that.

To counter, I've had around five lightning cables and 10 usb c cables and not once has a usb c cables failed me. It does not accumulate dust.

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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It's still not a great spec if it's so complex that you can screw it up. I understand the complexity for data, but for power I wish it was as simple as power & ground wires and that's it. Compare that with USB-A where even cheap Chinese cables from the lowest bidder usually work (work well enough at least - you might get voltage drop but it will still charge if you leave it on long enough) because the spec is so simp…

Thats a very strange statement to make. Should complex things not have a spec?

My point is that I don't like USB-C because it tries to do everything and manufacturer must implement that "everything" properly which adds cost & frustration.

Compare USB-C power delivery and the 12-pin cable & connector with USB-A's 4 pins and a resistor on the data lines to communicate allowed current draw, or even a barrel jack with the standard 19V ~3A PSU and no negotiation at all. Which one is the easiest to build (hint: one is easy enough to DIY) and which one is more reliable?

Re: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices

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As a European, I'm very happy. USB-A has been with us for over 20 years. It's only disappearing because of USB-C, and USB-C seems to have room to grow. I wouldn't be surprised if it will still be the most popular connector in 2035, and not just because "legislation stops innovation". Making sure there are no weird exceptions to a very good port is reasonable and good.

The idea's nice. I'll still have about 30 unusable micro-USB chargers lying around, though.

That's how progress works though. Would you rather be stuck with micro-USB technical limitations to this day instead?
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