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Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by stevenjgarner »

agnatic-law wrote: post #80
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

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Or the British Empire which intentionally starved "between 12 and 29 million Indians ... as millions of tons of wheat were exported to Britain as famine raged in India.

In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Winston Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.

Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, Churchill said: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.” [1]

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atroci...

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by [deleted] »

wizwit999 wrote: post #23
mrcheesebreeze wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if we can call them the most evil. There are plenty of contenders, even if the death rates don't match up. If we go purely by deathrates then we should pick communist china or the soviet union. If we go by barbarity the mongol empire, the timurids, and the japanese empire (talking the one from ww2) are all good contenders. Imperial japan was so bad that the nazi ambassador to china in nanking did his bes…

I mean Mongols depopulated entire large cities. E.g. the entire population of Merv, which was one of the world's largest cities at the time, was killed.

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Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by Apocryphon »

coupdejarnac wrote: post #36
s1artibartfast wrote: post #16

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Who looks at the Mongol empire fondly?

This seems to be an ongoing trend, and this article continues the trend by casting the Mongols as some kind of egalitarian society. 20 years ago-ish, a book came out about Chingis Khan that extolled the virtues of his multicultural, pantheistic regime and totally glossed over the many genocides the Mongols perpetrated. Not to mention the guy probably raped more women than anyone else in history. Edit: To add to this,…

People tend to have starry eyed views of successful empires that not only conquered a lot of territory, but were able to rule for some time. Because there is inherent difficulty in administering areas spanning many cultures, ethnicities, creeds.

Most of those things you said can apply to the Assyrians, the Romans, the British, or any other similar empire, and people still idealize those places today. If your empire holds together long enough to get a period of Pax named after you, it means you've made it in the eyes of history.

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Post by PhantomBKB »

agnatic-law wrote: post #80
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

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Not to mention the United States who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Hiroshima-Nagasaki bombings which caused long-term side-effects on the populace, imposed sanctions, and even today control Japanese policy decisions and have permanent military occupation in Japan.

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Post by Apocryphon »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #29
evv555 wrote: post #19

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Looking forward to the feel-good girl power articles about Nazi Germany.

Sounds interesting, I would read that. There is a lot of fascinating literature about differences in gender roles between western and eastern Germany behind the iron curtain.

There were white supremacist women who were also pro-suffrage.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/05/suffra...

Intersectionality cuts both ways.

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Post by [deleted] »

_8j50 wrote: post #69
akomtu wrote: post #56

I see they are trying to push a narrative here, but they picked a weak example. Wu Zetian started in a harem of some Chinese emperor, but climbed to the top, captured the throne and ruled for 15 years officially (and who knows how many years before that unofficially). She wasn't shy of killing her own newborn for a timely political move, and obviously wasn't constrained by morals in her climbing after that. And Gengh…

Ahh, the modern take on war and nations, the desire for moral superiority and the silly game of pretending there are rules in war. As hard as it maybe to wrap one's head around this, historically, war was a way to obtain resources, or rather resolve conflicts over resources. Genghis wanted a resource for his horses, he resolved it. If your city was wiped out by him, it was your fault for being weak. You should not ex…

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Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by belfalas »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

> After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far.

Never forget that history is written by the victors. The Mongol Empire was replaced by the Russian Empire.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by vkou »

1123581321 wrote: post #72
Glyptodon wrote: post #55

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It's hard for me to see them as "more evil" than many other pre-modern groups. It's such an arbitrary framing.

Please substitute the term you typically use for practitioners of genocide.

"Empire" is a pretty solid 1:1 mapping.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by unmole »

agnatic-law wrote: post #80
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #13

IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.

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Slavery and oppression is evil. Genocide is objectively worse.

Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire

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Post by s1artibartfast »

Apocryphon wrote: post #95
s1artibartfast wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds interesting, I would read that. There is a lot of fascinating literature about differences in gender roles between western and eastern Germany behind the iron curtain.

There were white supremacist women who were also pro-suffrage. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/05/suffra... Intersectionality cuts both ways.

And Nazi Germany ironically led the world in animal rights.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germa...

The world is a bizarre place and humans are unfathomably complex.

This should be cause for curiosity and investigation into history and The Human Condition

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