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It costs $110k to fully gear up in Diablo Immortal

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Re: It costs $110k to fully gear up in Diablo Immortal

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Post by ModernMech »

DaveSapien wrote: post #208

There will be, for sure, lives ruined because of this game's predatory practices. It really sickens me. To quote myself from a previous thread: "If you could hear the contempt that "some" game devs have for their customers, you might never buy a game ever again. It really is quite shocking...and the contempt exists from top to bottom, its everywhere. That isn't to say there's not a vast number of of honourable people…

> There will be, for sure, lives ruined because of this game's predatory practices. It really sickens me.

What else is new from Blizzard?

My roommate in college was addicted to WOW. He'd lock himself in his room for days, failed his classes, and eventually dropped out of school. He finished it later, but only after getting over the WOW addiction. Back then (circa 2005) I remember reading stories about how Blizzard was hiring psychologists to make players more addicted ahem I mean "engaged" to WOW. Really, I guess that was just the start of it.

Blizzard has a long and sick history of hijacking human psychology for profit. Really glad I stopped buying games from them after Warcraft III.

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Post by afarrell »

sirtaj wrote: post #280
curiousgal wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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People in the third world are hardly immune to compulsive behaviour and the associated risks.

Neither are people who move from the third world hoping to make money to make a better life for their (now distant) families.

Re: It costs $110k to fully gear up in Diablo Immortal

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Post by Beltalowda »

lekevicius wrote: post #299
Beltalowda wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is so sad that "make good game, sell it" model no longer works. It's all a wonky curve of "free - couple of dollars - hundreds and thousands of dollars". What makes you say that? I mostly play single-player games where I just buy a game and then play it. There are loads of those out there, with more released every week. Even with my underpowered Linux laptop I have plenty to choose from.

I guess I should have added "no longer works on mobile". PCs/Consoles have plenty of good, paid-upfront games.

Ah right, I don't play games on mobile, but I think there are still mobile games with simple straight-forward pricing models. For example the Baldur's Gate series got released on mobile (already a few years ago), and Wadjet Eye Games releases most of their adventures on mobile too I think. There are undoubtedly others.

But I guess they're harder to find/more rare. As others mentioned, most people spend nothing to little on these "free" games, so as a no-spend gamer you can choose between 1) free, or 2) pay $10 (or whatever they charge) to play a game. Not necessarily a hard choice if the "free" game is "entertaining enough".

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Post by mejutoco »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #229
elif wrote: post #212

It's like, gaming used to have some gambling flavor elements to it, but since ~2020 they gave up moderating it and everyone decided to go all-in on gamba. CSGO skin cases were meme-ably game-able, and I'm sure some people lost their livelihood, but it certainly wasn't conditioning EVERY CHILD that played to casually walk that line deeper and deeper... What we have now is sickening. The stance of NL and belgium of jus…

They will just move on to countries with less regulation, which usually means poorer countries with less educated people. You can probably see where this is going. Banning rarely accomplishes anything, it just moves one appearance of the problem out of sight for a period of time.

> Banning rarely accomplishes anything, it just moves one appearance of the problem out of sight for a period of time

If the ban is easy to enforce I do not think this is true. IMO it is when the ban is next to impossible to enforce when the crime just shifts (drugs, for instance)

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Post by aclelland »

discardable_dan wrote: post #234
elif wrote: post #212

It's like, gaming used to have some gambling flavor elements to it, but since ~2020 they gave up moderating it and everyone decided to go all-in on gamba. CSGO skin cases were meme-ably game-able, and I'm sure some people lost their livelihood, but it certainly wasn't conditioning EVERY CHILD that played to casually walk that line deeper and deeper... What we have now is sickening. The stance of NL and belgium of jus…

This is, honestly, why I'm focusing my children on Nintendo products. They do sometimes charge for skins, but by and large they don't succumb to the same "pay me to play" traps as other platforms.

Amazon Kids+ is also a really good option for younger kids. Got a large number of games for a few pounds a month.

All the games are ad free and IAP free.

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Post by Spoom »

discardable_dan wrote: post #234
elif wrote: post #212

It's like, gaming used to have some gambling flavor elements to it, but since ~2020 they gave up moderating it and everyone decided to go all-in on gamba. CSGO skin cases were meme-ably game-able, and I'm sure some people lost their livelihood, but it certainly wasn't conditioning EVERY CHILD that played to casually walk that line deeper and deeper... What we have now is sickening. The stance of NL and belgium of jus…

This is, honestly, why I'm focusing my children on Nintendo products. They do sometimes charge for skins, but by and large they don't succumb to the same "pay me to play" traps as other platforms.

Just be very careful in the third party realm of the store. There have been a lot more "free to play" games released recently on Switch.

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Post by hprotagonist »

Foomf wrote: post #310
eknkc wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Switch (got it when I had a surgery to ease the long recovery). The Nintendo IP is almost completely bullshit free. The success of Switch is nice too. FromSoftware is another bastion of hope. The popularity of Elden Ring is no coincidence.

Why did you feel the need to justify your Switch purchase? Do people judge others over that sort of thing?

this is gaming we’re talking about: yes, of course.

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Post by hprotagonist »

jmuguy wrote: post #288
eurasiantiger wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will just move on to countries with less regulation, which usually means poorer countries with less educated people. You can probably see where this is going. Banning rarely accomplishes anything, it just moves one appearance of the problem out of sight for a period of time.

If you believe that, I have some leaded gasoline to sell you.

at the airport?

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Post by sandworm101 »

elif wrote: post #308
sandworm101 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is about hitting a very small/light ball very far. It is about interaction with natural elements in real time (wind/grass etc). It may be physics but it is physics in the real non-vacuum world. Even a perfect robot could not place a golfball in the same spot repeatedly. That is the unescapable random element.

i havent seen a robot capable of reading wind patterns from tree movement as well as humans.. again you are minimizing the deterministic factors where humans have a compelling advantage by over-essentializing perception beyond your personal capability as "random"

Look to artillery, where billions are spent on robots throwing an object through the air as accurately as possible. Randomness is still there.

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Post by nanna »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #229
elif wrote: post #212

It's like, gaming used to have some gambling flavor elements to it, but since ~2020 they gave up moderating it and everyone decided to go all-in on gamba. CSGO skin cases were meme-ably game-able, and I'm sure some people lost their livelihood, but it certainly wasn't conditioning EVERY CHILD that played to casually walk that line deeper and deeper... What we have now is sickening. The stance of NL and belgium of jus…

They will just move on to countries with less regulation, which usually means poorer countries with less educated people. You can probably see where this is going. Banning rarely accomplishes anything, it just moves one appearance of the problem out of sight for a period of time.

> They will just move on to countries with less regulation

This knee-jerk application of libertarian ideology makes even less sense in this situation than usual. The gaming industry is dependent on improving computer hardware hardware, in-game sales rely on consumers with at least a certain degree of expendable capital. The core markets will always be countries that are well off, companies cant 'just go elsewhere' without significantly sacrificing their potential income.

Also you do realise that the wealth of a country does not correlate directly to it's levels of education?

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