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Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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The monopolization the paper refers to is how industry and government prevent the adoption of factory methods in construction, increasing construction costs.

I get that especially here people would love to think that "factory methods in construction" are wonderful, but the reality is that it is way more "human soul crushing communist block building" and far less utopian wonderland.

In defence of brutalist architecture, at least its functional, spacious, and sensibly planned enough to build communities around those blocks. The concrete monstrosities of the 1960 and 70s built in London are still standing and are worth just as much as the newer builds which typically sport newer materials but come with higher rents and smaller spaces.

Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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If housing was one of them you'd probably consider it a crisis.

Actually housing IS one of the things I cannot afford -- if you are talking about SF, LA, NYC, etc. But luckily for me and everyone else, those are not the only places one can live.

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Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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I can't afford to live in NYC or SF or LA either, but that doesn't mean I can't afford a place to live. If someone cannot afford to live in the most desirable locations in the world, but they can live almost anywhere else, that is not a crisis.

The cognitive disconnect is pretty insane here. Affordability issues are a widespread phenomen. You may be able to remote work in a low cost of living area, but the type of people who have housing instability can't. They have to be supported by the shit-tier wages in the low cost of living area, which is why it's a low cost of living area. Except now the "low cost" housing there takes up more than half someone's inco…

Though the parent is being slightly obtuse in his language, I do agree with him to a point.

Here in the UK, if you are willing to accept a commute and downgrade your expectations slightly, you can buy an affordable house or apartment relatively easily. Even commutable to London you could buy say a 1-2 bedroom apartment for £200k, which is achievable for 1 good earner or 2 average earners.

The problem is that people want nice big houses in the best areas of global cities. I understand the aspiration, but that is not a housing crisis. It's just a market.

I acknowledge problems for low earners in low wage areas etc, but maybe I am referring to a different type of person, say young professionals wanting to get on the housing ladder or needing somewhere to live that is commutable to work. I think that too often they just have expectations out of line with their budgets.

Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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I think what is being referred to here in typical mush mouth obtuse language is the "monopolization" that corporations are engaging in buying up massive amounts of real assets with essentially free money the fed it printing at the rate that even the "printing press goes brrrrrr" meme does not do justice. I don't know that people are really aware of the scale of what is going on here. The big finance houses have essen…

> The big finance houses have essentially been handed over ownership and control to corner the whole housing market ... by the captured and corrupt government. A couple things to try to contextualize this claim: 1. Institutional investors are purchasing single-family homes at a greater rate than they used to, but they account for a minority of all purchases: "During the first three months of this [2021], investors bo…

Overall share probably doesn't matter. Adding 15% extra demand will certainly influence price.

Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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Is there even a shred of evidence that the housing crisis is a result of higher construction costs? Or is the Fed trying to draw attention away from the catastrophic impact of its zero interest and other policies on the massive increase in asset prices?

I talked to a real estate friend today. He said the high prices are cracking and falling away as:

1. interest rates rise

2. peoples' stock porfolios have tanked

Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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But building more housing does lower rent in big cities? It's status quo in tokyo, and it even happened locally where a mini-condo boom caused condo prices to stay flat around that area, while SFH house prices went up. Condos in other regions nearby continued to go up in price, where there wasn't a condo building boom.

Go to any big US city with dense housing and tell me rents there are low. For people always referencing Tokyo -- why aren't you living in Tokyo then?

You really aren't talking about the same thing. It's not like you can add 100 housing units to an area one time and achieve affordable housing indefinitely. The housing units have to be added to meet increases in demand.

The idea I think you are assuming is that supply causes demand (i.e. demand will always rise to meet supply), and that the supply-demand curve is flat to maintain price regardless of supply.

Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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To my knowledge (sorry not citing sources, too much, but could be individually looked up and validated/refuted) it is rather the opposite, the construction industry is hopelessly fragmanted. A tree of contractors and subcontractors participate in any sizeable projects (and several even in the smallest one), also the composition change during the project many times. There are research efforts for long time into this topic, how to handle the fragmented and volatile situations as part of construction supply chain management research. Also touches the risk management area.

The industrialized construction (or offsite construction) improvements more like hindered than helped by this fragmantation. Inventing and introducing new techniques (including workforce training, software and hardware) is infinitely harder with fragmanted organization involvement. Having few dominant organizations that could dictate work methods actually helps.

Furthermore the finances of the construction organizations are of project focused. Need to find money and time in long running single construction projects for research and development and somehow connect those accross production projects, in parallel, while trying to keep up prompt and cheap delivery as clients (paying a lot for each one off product, each product different unlike in manufacturing industry using mass production or at least mass customization) demand quick and cheap delivery. They may go to one does not spend on R&D and can work cheaper (eve 1% difference can mean millions on this scale). Need to change the engine while flying kind of thing, cannot stop alone, or even together for a while (clients demands delivery) to reform the practices.

Even with industrialized construction the housing crisis remains. Look at very advanced countries like Sweden where factory based construction is norm but (despite municipality and government backed effort) getting a home is still hard. Not enough supply of the very expensive stock and even the councious and heavy regulations just shift the problem elsewhere (life long waiting lines for affordable rentals).

I believe the housing crisis is almost pure financial problem. Housing is used for investments too. And having affordable (reliably cheap) and high profit yielding (rapid cost increasing) housing at the same time is impossible. Seems like the ball is more like at the economists and regulatory side than construction technology.

Not to mention places where the cost of land and associated taxes are further worsening the situation (e.g. UK), where construction cost is actually lower portion in the overall price.

The construction industry can do quite a bit in improving mass production, but not that much that would solve housing crisis in high value locations where the space is limited, costly, and prices fuelled by investment efforts as well (where else would you invest than in places with high demand?). State bodies could help more.

Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

#148

Is there even a shred of evidence that the housing crisis is a result of higher construction costs? Or is the Fed trying to draw attention away from the catastrophic impact of its zero interest and other policies on the massive increase in asset prices?

Low interest rates made housing more affordable though as you have to pay less interest.

Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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I think developing an entire neighborhood of SFH is more expensive than developing a duplex or quad, which is what most upzoning would legalize.

A duplex or quadplex in a desirable area being upzoned is still going to be well outside the realm of what anyone but the “big boys” can reasonably afford to develop. They’re going to turn it into rentals, and do their best to maximize rent for each unit. End result is paying an obscene monthly rent for ever-shrinking square footage, while anyone being paid below a living wage sits in the 20+-year-long queue for empl…

You can avoid this with condominiums.

Re: Solving the housing crisis requires fighting monopolies in construction (2020)

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I think they’re trying to say that “higher construction costs” is literally the “multi-million dollar bids” to own property without going through a HOA. For the average person, this makes the land and construction costs unobtainable for the average person, effectively creating a monopoly for the builders and the HOA organizations with deep pockets to bid.

Is monopoly the right word for a set of thousands of developers competing to develop land and build new neighborhoods?

No, because the only monopolies in real estate are land and maybe grandfathered construction that would be illegal to build today.

The construction industry might be considered a cartel though if they coordinate behind the scenes.

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