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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Knowledge is power, and power corrupts, so what you're saying is "I don't mind giving the Norwegian government absolute power, because they aren't absolutely corrupt (yet)".

I would say that the government having the same amount of knowledge that private companies have is not necessarily a bad thing.

That might be true in the case where that amount of knowledge is precisely zero.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Why do people jump from "meat" to bugs (which are still meat btw) instead of vegetable proteins like tofu? I'd much rather eat tofu, tempeh, Quorn, etc than bugs.

Bio-availability of protein being less in vegetable protein-sources, maybe?

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?

I guarantee the NSA is slurping up this data in the US.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#194
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“Hello #3576. You have reached your 1kg monthly limit of natural meat. Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

Compared with taxes, at least this way everyone gets the same amount of meat independent of how wealthy they are.

This is bad because different people want meat different amounts. Best case you get a meat black market (with corrosive effects on law and order ala alcohol prohibition) which will still lead to very inefficient meat allocation.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#195

Russia does that already country-wise. Every receipt is sent to federal taxes office instantly, every cash register is connected to the internet.

One of the big grocery stores in sweden (coop) closed all their shops for a week last year due to a ransomware attack. So yeah, all those cash registers were and are connected to the internet.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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I’m a vegetarian because of environmental (and more recently, ethical) reasons. I’m an enormous advocate of reducing the quantity of animal products that the world uses. This is definitely not a “great thing”. There are much less invasive ways to influence behavior and nudge consumers to consume fewer harmful products. Like simply using product-specific taxes or labeling requirements. Or targeting the producers direc…

You should look up "Dairy is scary" on YouTube then (promise, it's worth it!). Being a vegetarian has much less impact than one might think.

Heh I’ve been vegan for ages, just watched it. Great reminder.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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I don't necessarily disagree in principle, but I think what you're saying will be very hard or impossible. Those "business contributions to climate change" exist because they're producing goods that consumers want; you can't significantly reduce that without also affecting consumer lifestyles, by reducing the options for the number of goods, or making them more expensive. Further research in clean energy is all very…

>> The last 100 years or so have been quite exceptional in many ways; I think the expectation that younger generations will have it at least as good as the previous one is just not realistic. Whether or not this is true (it very well could be although we won’t know for a while) I think the idea that younger generations will just accept that is unrealistic.

You're probably right there! But the alternative ("keep doing our thing like 10 years from now doesn't exist") will be worse, so ... yeah. It's a bad situation :-(

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Now you are tracked by both private entities and the state. I don't want to be tracked by anyone, without my explicit consent, which I should be able to withdraw anytime.

But you agreed to be managed by the government right? Remember when they came round and you signed the contract? To pay 40%+ in taxes? For the ability to vote once every 4-5 years for someone to represent you? You don't? Nor me. Governments presume to have authority over everything in their domain. The belief in the false idea of 'government' by the majority is what sustains their power. It is actually immoral and fr…

Look, I am far from pro-government interference. That being said, I personally disagree with much of your argument here.

You implicitly agree to some measure when you participate in the society set up by government.

There is today a very common attitude that governments are intentionally only serving a small elite. This populist - perhaps even intuitive - rhetoric is exaggerated for most of the Western world.

If you’re living on your own out in the wilderness, I can see your argument. But this actually does exist to some degree in how uncontacted peoples[0] are generally not subject to the laws of the government whos jurisdiction they fall under. This isn’t a lifestyle most of us would choose but perhaps there is some merit to making this path easier to take for those who desire it.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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“Hello #3576. You have reached your 1kg monthly limit of natural meat. Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

If Norway reaches the point where they have to ration meat, I don't see the problem with such a system.

You don't have to track everyone to ration resources.

You can just say, 1KG per person, and voilla its done.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#200
It's ok that the government wants this data, but the data protection agency needs to tell them no, that's not possible, and maybe work with them to make something similar possible - but that respects privacy. Due to the database leak effect, I hope they do a good job.
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