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Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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> It’s not harder to do in software. It’s just hard to get the timing correct, regardless of whether you are using software or hardware. I am disagreeing with this.

The statement is about relative timings, to be clear, and you agreed with that. I'm not trying to be clever here to win an argument, I really just think that good relative timing is implied by "accuracy", and good wall-clock timing is not--that's "performance". It makes sense to me that these terms are separate, so I can say something like "I have a cycle-accurate emulator that runs at 25x realtime". For stuff like g…

Yeah, we agree on relative timings, and I guess I'm okay with using "accuracy" without qualification for that, i.e. what the machine observes. It wasn't clear to me that "timing" meant cycle-accuracy, so I guess we do agree after all.

As for how much wall-clock accuracy you need... Eh, as said, it depends on how much of a preservationist you are. If you plan to actually generate an NTSC or PAL signal on a low level (including actually performing the quadrature amplitude modulation), it can well become relevant, and phase noise affects color.

Otherwise maybe not, though again I'm not surprised if some standard Linux on some RPi actually shows visible glitches from time to time. Irrelevant for most users, but then again most users may also just want to play the game on a rudimentary emulator, or even a more modern version of the game. This is all either for fun or for preservation, after all.

If you do need (video signal) or want (anal retentiveness) high wall-clock accuracy, an FPGA then also has the advantage that whatever ARM core or whatever you have next to it can implement UI and control in whatever is most convenient, on any non-RT run of the mill OS, without any risk to negatively affect the rock-solid, cycle-locked emulation in the FPGA. On an overall weaker overall SoC at lower frequency, even.

An FPGA does make things easier, is my point.

Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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> So nice to see electronics made somewhere other than China. Hope we can see this done more often. Indeed. Is there an online store that specializes in products not made in China? Or at least allows me to filter products by country of design and manufacture? I'd give anything to have that filter on Amazon. It would get rid of most of the scams and shoddy products that end up in landfills shortly after purchase. I re…

For some countries (Japan comes to mind), there -are- dedicated stores to a degree. Usually for luxury goods though where it's tough to gauge real-world quality/value vs aesthetic strengths. Also, this doesn't directly address your question, but the interim solution I've used is to build a research habit with each successive purchase for the home. With time, it gets a lot easier and more intuitive to track down vendo…

> you really need the research to become something of a hobby since you'll be spending hours on it

Exactly, that's my point. In most cases I do extensive research before purchasing by looking up online reviews, forum discussions, and even company/seller background.

My problem is that as a consumer I shouldn't have to do this. I should be able to trust retailers to do this quality and safety vetting for me, so that I don't purchase something harmful, that doesn't work or will break soon after purchase.

But, as you know, it's not in e.g Amazon's interest to give consumers this assurance. Their main clients, after all, are the same dodgy vendors that sell counterfeit garbage, buy fake reviews, and change their "company" name on a whim. Amazon has no incentive to protect the consumer.

I think that a consumer protection agency on behalf of the government should step in, and force retailers to do better.

The other problem is that most consumers don't see this as an issue. They'd rather buy the first cheapest thing they can find, and don't care how well made it is, as long as they can quickly buy it again if needed.

Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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> Back in the 1980's, Commodore released the famous Commodore 64 (8 bit computer), and then followed it up with the Commodore 128, and Amiga (16 bit computers). ??? Pretty sure the 128 was an 8-bit computer.

And the amiga was Motorola 68000 based which is a 32 bit processor by any coherent definition.

Well the c64 had 16 bit addressing so maybe it was a bit 16 bit too!

Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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Things I'm nostalgic for are slightly older like the VT100 and PDP 11 series. There was something just amazing about the soft blip when turning on the VT100, and something very powerful about clacking away on that keyboard, writing code to do whatever you could think of. But even if someone made a brand new VT 100 with a proper CRT and embedded a PDP 11 equivalent, would I pay $832.50 for it? Nah, probably not. Still…

I have my childhood VT180 sitting here in its original box, along with all the documentation and software. Unfortunately it's not currently working but one of these days I'll dig into it and figure out what's wrong.

> childhood VT180

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Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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I’ve never heard that distinction before. It’s all emulation—either in hardware or software, in parallel or in series. I used to work on simulation software professionally. The idea that simulation is parallel while emulation is serial is completely foreign to me, and I suspect foreign to others as well.

I have worked on simulators for most of my life and the GPs definition is not true. There's no formal distinction between the two, but conventionally emulation is more faithful whereas simulation is more high-level. Still, the two are used fairly interchangeably.

To me the distinction seems obvious: simulation reproduces the external behaviour of a system i.e from observers pov; emulation reproduces the internal behaviour. Typically the external behaviour emerges from this as a matter of course, but in many cases such a “bottom up” approach isn’t possible or even necessary.

Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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> Back in the 1980's, Commodore released the famous Commodore 64 (8 bit computer), and then followed it up with the Commodore 128, and Amiga (16 bit computers). ??? Pretty sure the 128 was an 8-bit computer.

And the amiga was Motorola 68000 based which is a 32 bit processor by any coherent definition.

Well, to be fair had a 32-bit instruction set and registers, but 24- and 16-bit internal buses. I'd call it 32-bit though.

Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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The fact that it has a manual proves that it's poor UI. Also the setup for sd card is way too complex, and it does not support Bluetooth. I doubt it will have any success. Note that they're building this in Germany, no way they'll manage to recover their cost of manufacturing.

(was meant to be satire but I guess it failed)

Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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I really don't understand the love people have for the commodore 64. It wasn't especially advanced for it's time nor was it especially good. Finally it basically required the use of a horrible language like Basic to use. There's like zero reason to re-create it as a retro computer. Then you compare it to things like the Amiga which was incredibly advanced for it's time with amazing graphics and sound that even today…

With the C64, you could literally understand what every single memory address on the machine did. You could hold the whole thing in your head. Coding on it was about as abstraction free as you could get, especially in assembly language.

Now, we run npm and have barely any idea of how any of it works. That makes sense in a way, things get bigger and more complex. For me at least, it's not fun in the way coding on a 8 or 16 bit computer is.

Re: My Mega65 has arrived

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> The issue is that in the race to the bottom to build everything cheaply, quickly and in large quantities, is that you get a ton of low quality products that become junk soon after purchase. You'll get from China factories what you order, and then verify the quality of, from Chinese factories. Same as US factories. Apple products are made in China. Some of the finest engineered and assembled consumer electronics eve…

> You'll get from China factories what you order, and then verify the quality of, from Chinese factories. Agreed. I mentioned that in my last point about IP, which you conveniently ignored. Apple is an outlier. For every such company, there are thousands of others abroad and local to China that are making absolute trash that only serves to scam consumers and/or end up in landfills shortly after purchase. I can't coun…

> Agreed. I mentioned that in my last point about IP, which you conveniently ignored.

Apologizes, you did indeed mention it, I was on mobile and skimmed past it.

> I can't count how many Chinese-made things I've bought that ended up in the trash a few days/weeks/months after purchase. I also own a lot of poorly made Chinese electronics that have survived for years, so technically they pass QA, but are cheap feeling and annoying to use despite being expensive. Lenovo laptops come to mind.

Having been to China multiple times, they have perfectly good electronics for sale domestically. Heck for some product categories, the electronics over there are better than what you can get in the United States.

> Have you seen how rampant this is on Amazon, Wish.com, et al, let alone on Chinese owned retailers?

Wish.com's entire business model is cheap crap. They are the online equivalent of a dollar store.

The problem on Amazon is real, although I sometimes encounter some really good Chinese made products, not electronic but I recently purchased a shoe rack from a Chinese retailer on Amazon and it is worlds better than any of the shoe racks American brands are selling.

I also remember a4tech back in the day, they had some absolutely amazing mice! I still miss my duel scroll wheel optical mouse, I loved that thing.

> It's absolutely exhausting, and often impossible to avoid. A lot of people have given up entirely on purchasing from Amazon, but the convenience is a big factor for me.

My issue is that American brands are also making crap products. You have companies like DJI making products so good that they put American competitors right out of business.

But you also have a strange lack of quality smart watches out of China, figure someone who cares would make a smartwatch with quality firmware. I am genuinely confused as to why this hasn't happened yet.

Re: My Mega65 has arrived

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things I'm nostalgic for are slightly older like the VT100 and PDP 11 series. There was something just amazing about the soft blip when turning on the VT100, and something very powerful about clacking away on that keyboard, writing code to do whatever you could think of. But even if someone made a brand new VT 100 with a proper CRT and embedded a PDP 11 equivalent, would I pay $832.50 for it? Nah, probably not. Still…

Enjoy ... https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11 The 8 and 11 have been made. There was a PiDP-10 in progress, but not sure what the status is on it currently.

Yeah, that is cool. I've seen it a few times and thought... maybe. But honestly so far I've gotten all the nostalgia I need out of running SIMH. But thank you.
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