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Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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I don't understand why people would want to work for this guy? To any Tesla employees, whats your take on this? I can imagine having a CEO like this must be super stressful!

Same reason people work for Bezos, Zuck, etc.

A lot of people have the capacity to set aside morals/ethics for a bit of chump change.

The work is interesting. I'm sure the people making nuclear bombs probably said the same thing. Or the death star. "It is such interesting work" Yeah ok.

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This is a fundamental problem with the US corporate model: responsibility to shareholders should carry no more weight than responsibility to employees . This is more the German model (see VW) where a company's workers and a company's shareholders have similar representation on the corporate board and both share in the decision-making process. It's also no surprise that the main pushback against the 'back to the offic…

A company is not formed for the benefit of the employees and private industry shouldn't be run like a welfare system. What you see as disposable units I see as free agents, adding more regulation and removing the freedom of choice of both the employer and the employee is ruinous to both. We should be striving to make it easy to fire as well as easy to hire, if you tie up one side or the other or both then you end up…

I'd argue that in most corporations, the majority of seats on the board of directors are the optimal candidates for AI automation: all they really do is report to the shareholders. And what practical value do shareholders bring to a corporation? To they have skills in the corporation's business domain? Are they improving the quality of the products? Are they streamlining and improving the manufacturing lines? What value does a shareholder have, really?

Now, if the shareholders were all working employees of the corporation, that would make sense. Otherwise what role do they serve?

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Elon will plead to the fire marshal to arrest only him, and force his workers to come in anyways

As if Musk would fall on his own sword let alone anyone else's. To much wasted time to be able to poke fun of Bezos or make some other bone headed tweet.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-to-county-health-officials-arr...

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Just curious, how much money they can save firing 10% employee? so they can survive almost 10% more days, right? It seems to me it is not that much effective.

They're profitable, so it's not that they're trying to stretch out some fixed pool of money. One big thing that reducing costs can do is help them stay profitable as the economy gets worse, although that's not the only reason they might want to do something like this.

Are they profitable in the context of uniform standard accounting practice?

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Hey after all that activity on Twitter you gotta give him leeway at some point, just like a cop who's been in a thousand conflicts gets a pass when things go wrong, there has to be a margin of error.

I'm hoping this was sarcasm.

Like you're in any position to chide me?

It's a common South African insult, in fact I've heard classmates say it to one another in early high school for dating girls in late middle school. It's a word, people sometimes say it. There's a context. It wasn't a formal accusation. One in thousands of comments, you actually expect perfection from Musk and police?

Let me tell you as someone who has pulled off exactly that in 28 conflicts, as if they were 28 chess matches, I haven't fucked up this whole time. It's fucking impossible in the long term. Narrowest odds imaginable. That's not fucking up at all, much harder than merely winning 28 times in a row, which is already staggering. You have to let us fuck up sometimes, let it go. Someday I'll fuck up. Especially due to manipulation eg a racketeer as a last resort, when arrest was imminent, angled his back to get injured by police, in order to get a lighter sentence by countering the guilt of crime with an accusation of police brutality (SFPD police didn't fall for it, not even close).

The bad guys want us to fuck up, it's not easy to foil them every single time. Saying this is possible implies strict inferiority on the part of the bad guys.

And if you expect perfection from the police, you ought to tell them that next time you call them to come vindicate you. So they know you might yourself accuse them of brutalizing your victimizer.

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Here's the covid sewage data for Silicon Valley: https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-wastewater A week or so ago, it didn't look too bad. It is indeed much worse than I realized right now.

Meh. Wastewater has everything in it, but not things aren't checked for. Covid is now too broad a term that includes far less dangerous variants. You need to draw a line between Covid and colds, or else count colds like Covid.

The data matches a spike in actual cases. See https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-cases-and-deaths

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Which doesn't make sense to me. Just comparing the F-150 Lightning to the Cybertruck it seems pretty clear that Tesla has no idea what they are doing.

Because Ford is shipping somewhere between 50k and 100k of the Mach-E, while Tesla is doing closer to 500k? They have their faults, but they are a long way from "no idea what they are doing".

The model Y has the significant advantage of being a modified version of a car that had already been in production for years.

"No idea what they're doing" is probably a bit harsh on my part, but I stand by my opinion that Ford seems to be in a better position moving forward. The F-150 Lightning is a compelling product that went from announcement to consumer driveways in the span of a year. The Cybertruck still has no ship date in sight, and feels like it was designed to appeal to people buying Brodozer's rather than people needing something to do truck stuff. And from what we've seen so far, Ford does not seem to be suffering from the same chronic quality control issues as Tesla.

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> I am expecting more from HN tbh. In a previous comment you(an HN user!) framed all comments or discussion that might portray EM in a negative light as painting him as: > "...the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan." A pitch-perfect example of a straw-man argument, and now you're claiming the level of discourse is not up to your standards?

It was an intentional hyperbole to thrust a point across if you didn’t read between the lines. I thought it was obvious. I could improve in my message though. I do expect more from HN than vitriol of this sorts.

It is strange to use charged words such as "crazy", "evil" and "satan" in a comment and then complain of vitriol on the forum.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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They're profitable, so it's not that they're trying to stretch out some fixed pool of money. One big thing that reducing costs can do is help them stay profitable as the economy gets worse, although that's not the only reason they might want to do something like this.

Are they profitable in the context of uniform standard accounting practice?

Yes, pretty strongly so. Their GAAP profit was $5.5 billion in FY 2021.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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> I understand the desire of people to hate others just because others a richer... Is that the case, though. I for one don't care if Musk is the wealthiest person on Earth, or just some random middle class Joe. Fact is, he absolutely _loves_ to tout how much harder and longer he works than anyone else. That alone screams "bad leader" all around, and in my experience, anyone going public on matters like this, is overc…

I don’t think Elon did public insult his workers, he said he doesn’t appreciate workers that don’t work, are they even workers at that point? It’s like if I said I hate when someone steals from me, does that mean I hate you? If so they you are probably a thief. I get you have an opinion of him and that’s fine but how nice and humble a leader is is only a minor factor. What you get when hyper focused on tiny, in my op…

This piece of yours is quite revealing. Essentially you have reduced the discussion to:

1. Musk didn't act like an asshole to his employees.

2. Even if he was an asshole to his employees, that is irrelevant.

3. Even if it was relevant, he is right about it, so it doesn't matter.

4. Even if he was wrong and an asshole, his supposed contributions are enough to forgive it.

5. In any case, _I_ would have behaved similarly about certain things (not true), so I'm a hypocrite I guess?

Gotta say, my parents don't love me half as much as Elon's fanboys love him. Must be nice to be him.

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