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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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> Do you have any idea of the SIZE of some States and distances between HOMES, not just towns? Is that even a serious argument? Public transportation networks are designed to serve urban areas, with specific solutions catered to specific combinations of travel distance and throughput. Hand-waiving by pointing out isolated individuals live in isolated areas means nothing. Mass transportation is designed to serve the m…

It's not just hermits that live far from urban centers in the US. The US is famous for sprawling contiguous suburbs. Subway systems work well when people commute from the edges of a city to an urban center. Throw US suburbs into the mix, and you get some strange complications, like: * suburbs that from adjacent cities that sprawl together -- the residents there may commute to different cities * suburban office parks…

> It's not just hermits that live far from urban centers in the US. The US is famous for sprawling contiguous suburbs.

Sprawling suburbs can be, and often are, served by public transportation. The critical factor affecting the US approach to public transportation, which is purely ideological, is the neoliberal belief that public transportation services are only worth considering if they are provided by private corporations and only if they are profitable right from the start.

Meanwhile, in the rest of the world these services are either public or public-private partnerships, and subsidized with clear externalities in mind. For example, if I recall correctly the Tokyo subway network is operated by a few private companies which profit not by the direct exploration of their railway lines but from real estate investments coordinated by the expansion of their railway lines.

Consequently, we have european capitals which coordinate urban planning (i.e., where suburban sprawls can and cannot be built) with coverage of their public transportation services, including investing in extensions of subway lines to deserted places where medium- and high-density housing projects have been approved.

> Subway systems work well when people from the edges of a city to an urban center.

Subway is not a good example in discussions over public transportation in urban sprawls. The main purpose of subway networks is to enhance mobility within a urban area. Consequently, typically you see subway networks with subway stops at 500-800 meters and travel speeds of around 50km/h, which just happens to be slightly better than traveling by car. Park-and-ride stops are only another aspect of the main goal of eliminating car traffic within the city.

The standard strategy to serve urban sprawls with public transportation is to cover them with bus routes which feed into a high-throughput mass transport systems such as commuter rail or bus rapid transit, also serving as park-and-ride stations.

> suburban office parks -- this makes it difficult to effectively meet people's needs with an affordable hub-and-spoke model, because large numbers of people commute not to the urban center, but between adjacent suburbs

This is not true. I happen to have worked for a company located in a suburban office park which wasn't served very well by public transportation, but the office park itself organized bus services from one of the city's multimodal hub to the office park.

Also, this is so common and mundane that I know for a fact that even some Ikea stores in europe located in industrial districts offer free bus services connecting public transport hubs to them.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Yeah, since the BI story – and in particular his attempt to frontrun it and turn his personal legal troubles into a culture war battleground – I think we can assume pretty slimy tactics from Musk.

I started assuming this after Musk called that cave exploration expert in Thailand a pedophile.

Yup, this was my jumping off point as well

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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It's not just hermits that live far from urban centers in the US. The US is famous for sprawling contiguous suburbs. Subway systems work well when people commute from the edges of a city to an urban center. Throw US suburbs into the mix, and you get some strange complications, like: * suburbs that from adjacent cities that sprawl together -- the residents there may commute to different cities * suburban office parks…

> It's not just hermits that live far from urban centers in the US. The US is famous for sprawling contiguous suburbs. Sprawling suburbs can be, and often are, served by public transportation. The critical factor affecting the US approach to public transportation, which is purely ideological, is the neoliberal belief that public transportation services are only worth considering if they are provided by private corpor…

> Sprawling suburbs can be, and often are, served by public transportation.

Very ineffective though, very limited hours, akward stops where you have to walking stretches with the sun beating down on you and the annoying unsettling noise of cars rushing past you on a main road, worst case the particular place they’re at doesn’t have sidewalk for a good stretch and they have to hug the grass line to stay out of the road and out of peoples yards.

I’ve lived in several small cities/large towns with primarily suburban areas, as well as highly sprawled MSAs and this describes any suburban bus system I’ve seen.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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> People don't buy coffee on the way to work, people don't buy coffee on the way home, people don't buy sandwiches and snacks, people don't spend money on commuting, people don't spend money at resturants for launch, companies stop having team lunches. And this money just goes poof instead of being reallocated elsewhere?

It doesn't go to the poor coffee shop worker who gets let go. And can't spend it on x, y, z. No it goes on cost of living increases.

The cost of living increases aren't caused by people not buying coffee.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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I appreciate wanting proper discussion but if you genuinely thought that any comment section discussing Elon Musk was going to be productive I would like to ask for a counter example where one has occurred. It would be very instructive in many ways on how to build such a community and platform.

I get your point. Is that an excuse for HN to give into the same? If I wanted outrage and ranting on personalities, there's a lot of other places I could go for that. I came here a few years back because it was a less hostile, more objective community. Genuinely bums me out that we're giving this a pass now just because of the subject matter.

I get your point but at this point there isn’t any place that can constructively hold this conversation. I still this type of conversations can happen but it is difficult because of the inherent biases against and for the people conveying the messages that is going to be much stronger in the cohort that uses HN.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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TBH, that's just as much a testament to how pessimistic investors are about other US automakers as it is to how positive they are on Tesla/Musk. F and GM are massively undervalued unless you have really big doubts about their future.

Which doesn't make sense to me. Just comparing the F-150 Lightning to the Cybertruck it seems pretty clear that Tesla has no idea what they are doing.

Because Ford is shipping somewhere between 50k and 100k of the Mach-E, while Tesla is doing closer to 500k? They have their faults, but they are a long way from "no idea what they are doing".

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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I'm suspecting that we'll see forced return to office as a way to implement layoffs without as much bad PR. Stock will go up since costs will drop, but management will be able to say that is more an issue with return to office rather than a company failing. "We're doing great, it's just that some employees don't share our commitment and focus on doing things well, and making our mission a priority." There has been a…

The main issue with that approach is that you basically also lay off all of your good workers who prefer remote. Maybe it's worth the cost for employers. Idk. We're remote-first and hiring. Looking forward to chatting with these employees once companies try and implement their in-office policies.

How true is the claim that a hybrid WFH/in-person setup is worse than either pure WFH or pure in-person? I’ve seen many claim that it causes a cultural disconnect. I’ve wanted to defend the hybrid scenario, and yet I’ve also seen many problems with communication in a hybrid setup.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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TBH, that's just as much a testament to how pessimistic investors are about other US automakers as it is to how positive they are on Tesla/Musk. F and GM are massively undervalued unless you have really big doubts about their future.

I don't know about Ford, but GM is pretty well positioned to eat the US electric car market by producing more affordable electric cars (like Hyundai and Kia are doing, but mostly not yet in the US market). They could well fail to do so, but if they do, it would be an own goal.

I think that's true for both Ford and GM to varying degrees. They have solid cash flow and existing factories that could be retooled, as well as the critical supplier relationships that are needed.

But so far the results haven't been spectactular. Their goals for 2025 look like Tesla's goals for next year.

That could change, though. Ford in particular has been making a lot of solid moves recently, and unlike GM there seems to be more movement than talk.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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A couple of days ago somebody posted this Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/v2lpdw/e... "Tesla expanded massively during Covid, as of now half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space or desk. It’s physically impossible for everyone to return to office. "Should I ignore the email, or should I drive to the office and sit under the stairs?" Commenters' general feeling was…

if they desire sympathy for being forced to sit under stairs, maybe they should first be forced to sit under stairs before offering self-serving excuses.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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It's really starting to feel more and more like the end of 2007 and start of 2008. Stocks on a steady downward trend. Layoffs starting here and there. Growth slowing across various industries. I took a macro economics course at university that year, taught by a professor who was just about to retire after 40 years of teaching the subject. He was blunt with us: "I don't know what's going to happen, but I bet it's goin…

Thinking the same. I think the main difference is that we have inflation AND real economic constrains. Anyway what is the best way to hedge? Some say cash is king, but it is kind of counter intuitive, since inflation is high.

It’s really tough rn. I’m of the opinion that cash is trash. There’s a million ways to skin the cat and nobody knows what’s for sure the best. It kind of boils down to an individual preference.

Other comments suggest a collar or TIPS which are both fine suggestions. I wouldn’t mess with options unless you know what you’re doing. I threw a bunch of extra cash into a TIPS etf with ticker “TIP”. I’m also selling puts on commodities futures, bought US energy stocks, and bought a house last year (as rent is skyrocketing and inflation will eat away at my debt). I STILL have a shitload of cash idk what to do with…

Some people like gold but I don’t get it personally. Don’t copy me I’m tolerating quite a bit of risk.

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