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Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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Re: Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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> This isn't a hardware capacity issue. The Nexus One has 512MB of internal storage. The Nexus Galaxy has 32GB of internal storage. If ICS weighs in at much more than 400MB and has the stellar (read as: "perfunctory") MicroSD support we've come to expect from Android, it'd be about as enjoyable as a fart in a spacesuit on a Nexus One.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm a little blown away that ICS could come in close to 512MB. That sounds like bloat to me.

iOS 5 ZIP-compressed install files are 700MB each, a 500MB Android wouldn't be terribly surprising.

Re: Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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"The... (launcher, browser etc.) can often be replaced by 3rd parties, including repackagings of parts of later versions..." "I managed to get most of the other features..." "I added a custom froyo rom... and will probably jump to CyanogenMod soon." Punchline: "All in all, in not sure why people are so keen for Google to follow such an archaic and monolithic release model."

My whole point (which you've carefully elided in your response) was that you didn't need to do any of that to get the new Market, Maps, Youtube etc. on their own update schedules. Most would consider these key features and selling points of the OS and as such Apple bundles them together with OS updates and corresponding yearly(-ish) hardware releases. Even the stuff that you have to seek out, like installing a new la…

My girlfriend is capable of clicking "yes" when iTunes ask her if she wants to update her phone, but that's about the extent of it. She's not going to go out and find third-party repackages of updated features, and she can't download custom ROMs or anything like that.

Yet, she likes new features and improvements just as much as anyone else. She might not know what a JIT is, but she'd sure notice if her web browsing got more snappy. Apple's update scheme allows everyone to enjoy new features. Google's leaves non-technical with a lesser experience.

Re: Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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I don't know about you guys, but I'm a little blown away that ICS could come in close to 512MB. That sounds like bloat to me.

iOS 5 ZIP-compressed install files are 700MB each, a 500MB Android wouldn't be terribly surprising.

(Encrypted and then compressed, however, so it's essentially the same as the uncompressed size.)

Re: Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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taking the time to run great on hardware of that capability pays huge dividends in the phone world. It really won't though, that's the problem. The Nexus One is nearly two years old. It's somewhat of an anomaly because it'll have a higher than average number of off-contract purchases, but in general once a person's contact has run for two years they get a new phone. Two year old phones just aren't that important. Spe…

in general once a person's contact has run for two years they get a new phone That kind of market calculus made sense before the recession. Now the value proposition has changed, and while people may still buy newer hardware (such as tablets) they expect better value from their tech purchasing because increasing wealth is no longer a given. Also, people are more suspicious of corporations in general, especially ones…

I bought an Apple 3G new in August 2009, after the 3GS came out and it felt like obsolete junk with the next major iOS upgrade, long before the contract expired. I certainly did not feel like I was treated like a king.

I was certainly not the only one: http://appletoolbox.com/2010/06/iphone-3g-slow-after-ios-4-0...

None of the suggestions worked.

I have a Motorola Atrix now.

Re: Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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iOS 5 ZIP-compressed install files are 700MB each, a 500MB Android wouldn't be terribly surprising.

(Encrypted and then compressed, however, so it's essentially the same as the uncompressed size.)

Just to clarify what you're saying here: Are you saying that simply because a file is encrypted, that it'd be equivalent to the uncompressed size?

There are a fair few modes of encryption (such as CFB, OFB and CTS) out there which ensure that the encrypted data is the same size as the input data. Even if Apple uses a mode which requires padding, the padding should not be so large as to increase the size of the iOS image to the size that you are suggesting.

Re: Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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I was doing the same thing. I had a Nexus One and an iPad 2. My Nexus One crashed 12 times while I happily used my iPad 2 without problems.

Dunno why you got downmodded... Anyway, yeah the Nexus One is definitely not bug free. But it's been the case with things on the iPad too, but in general it's pretty stable. I don't use it as much throughout the day as the N1 though, so, I don't really have a great stability sense for it. Also, this kind of goes to the apples-to-oranges value of my experience, since I'm using the two things fairly differently.

He got downvoted because he's a troll.

http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=chugger

Re: Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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post #114

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(Encrypted and then compressed, however, so it's essentially the same as the uncompressed size.)

Just to clarify what you're saying here: Are you saying that simply because a file is encrypted, that it'd be equivalent to the uncompressed size? There are a fair few modes of encryption (such as CFB, OFB and CTS) out there which ensure that the encrypted data is the same size as the input data. Even if Apple uses a mode which requires padding, the padding should not be so large as to increase the size of the iOS im…

Encrypted data is not very compressible. Compression algorithms exploit statistical regularities in the bitstream, whereas the whole point of encrypting something is to get a result with no statistical regularity whatsoever.

If you compress first and then encrypt, you can then get smaller file sizes than the input, because the compression algorithm can work on the plaintext.

Re: Google says Nexus One too old for Android 4.0

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post #18

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taking the time to run great on hardware of that capability pays huge dividends in the phone world. It really won't though, that's the problem. The Nexus One is nearly two years old. It's somewhat of an anomaly because it'll have a higher than average number of off-contract purchases, but in general once a person's contact has run for two years they get a new phone. Two year old phones just aren't that important. Spe…

in general once a person's contact has run for two years they get a new phone That kind of market calculus made sense before the recession. Now the value proposition has changed, and while people may still buy newer hardware (such as tablets) they expect better value from their tech purchasing because increasing wealth is no longer a given. Also, people are more suspicious of corporations in general, especially ones…

I use an IPod and I don't feel treated as a King, more like a pigeon: It is my gadget, with my music in it, and I am being forced to use a software I dislike (iTunes) which don't even work on my OS of choice.

You have a weird view on how Kings are treated, or on Apple itself.

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