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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by danans »

halJordan wrote: post #203
tnel77 wrote: post #181

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That’s neat, but the USA has garbage public transport. Many towns just have none. I think it’s unreasonable to expect people to use a resource that just isn’t there in most cases.

Yeah Fremont California, Austin Texas. Terribly famous for being cities of hundreds of thousands and having no public transport. It'd actually be funny if you were joking.

The Bay Area's public transit is only good compared to places with no public transit. It's far from comprehensive and the intermodal coordination is pretty non-existent. It's only good if your start and destination are on the same mode of transit.

I don't know about Austin, but with Fremont's public transit, it would take at least 40 minutes to get from the Fremont BART station to the Tesla factory on public transit. That doesn't count the time needed on BART from someplace with a lower COL (Fremont itself is a $$ place to live). For that, add at least another 1/2 hour (for nearest lower COL in Castro Valley or San Leandro). So, it wouldn't be unheard of to have an hour+ commute to Tesla Fremont on public transit.

Large and wealthy Bay Area employers like Tesla therefore run private shuttles for employees for this reason (a practice started in the current era by Genentech way back in the early 00s I think, and later Google popularized it among tech co's)

Maybe Austin has world class public transit, though I kind of doubt it.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by systemvoltage »

Tehchops wrote: post #328
Karawebnetwork wrote: post #209

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This reminds me of Musk's recent comments about "political attacks against him in the coming days". It has since been learned that he had been reached by Business Insider to comment about the sexual abuse case beforehand. He already knew that an article against him was coming so he framed the narrative before it even reached the public. I would not be surprised this was the same here. Tell everyone "Leave if you don'…

Despite the zealous beliefs of the visionary, thought-leader techbro space that Musk's every move was to drive civilization forward in some kind of libertarian, technocrat utopia, it seems very clear at this point every one of these moves was absolutely a self-serving narrative shield around incredibly typical corporate/rich-person bad behavior. Oh but who could have seen this coming except oh wait everyone. The scha…

The divide here about Elon is much deeper than I anticipated.

It’s crazy how one sided HN is. Seems entirely subjective and political. If one were to read the comments here, the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by MichaelRazum »

stocknoob wrote: post #393
MichaelRazum wrote: post #367

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Thinking the same. I think the main difference is that we have inflation AND real economic constrains. Anyway what is the best way to hedge? Some say cash is king, but it is kind of counter intuitive, since inflation is high.

If you want to hedge your portfolio, do a costless collar.

Sounds interesting, how does it work?

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by zarriak »

andrew_ wrote: post #470

Came here hoping for insightful thoughts about the layoffs and market conditions only to be presented with a tidalwave of hate seemingly stemming from a lot of personal dislike of the Tesla CEO. There's been a lot of chatter lately about how HN is getting more and more negative, and this appears to be evidence of valid criticism.

I appreciate wanting proper discussion but if you genuinely thought that any comment section discussing Elon Musk was going to be productive I would like to ask for a counter example where one has occurred. It would be very instructive in many ways on how to build such a community and platform.

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Post by InfoSecErik »

kory wrote: post #276
photochemsyn wrote: post #199

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The fact that the USA hasn't invested in the necessary infrastructure doesn't change the conclusion that efficient public transport systems (see Europe, see China) have huge benefits relative to a system that relies almost entirely on individual vehicles.

I live near a rapid bus line in Seattle. One stop is a block away from my house, and the other stop is 2 blocks from the office. The traffic to the office is always awful, so a pleasant ride to the office, skipping traffic via dedicated bus lanes on the route, without needing to drive, sounds great to me in principle. I WANT to like this. I WANT to use this. But, there are several problems with it in practice. For me…

The rapid bus lines had that reputation back when I lived there (particularly the one going down 3rd) and I rarely used it for that reason. My time on other bus lines plus the light rail were a lot more pleasant.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by kentm »

stickfigure wrote: post #431
deelowe wrote: post #303

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I started assuming this after Musk called that cave exploration expert in Thailand a pedophile.

Of all the things to complain about Musk, this seems like the weakest. Some dude started a twitter fight with Musk and got called a "pedo guy" in response. Sounds like a South African response to me. I'm guessing you've never spent time with Australians, they call everyone cunts. Who cares? Potty mouth is not a mortal sin.

Maybe you missed the part where Musk hired a private investigator to prove that the guy was a pedophile. The investigator lied about the evidence, and Musk did no due diligence but directed his PR team to leak those lies to the media, and then threw a hissy fit when the media didn't reprint those lies uncritically.

The whole "pedo guy is just a generic insult" is a laughable lie that Musk tried to float in court. The evidence is that Musk tried to ruin a guy because he had the audacity to call out his publicity stunt when directly asked during an interview. You need to stop defending Musk on this because what he did was incredibly dick-headed and vindictive.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by jeffbee »

halJordan wrote: post #203
tnel77 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s neat, but the USA has garbage public transport. Many towns just have none. I think it’s unreasonable to expect people to use a resource that just isn’t there in most cases.

Yeah Fremont California, Austin Texas. Terribly famous for being cities of hundreds of thousands and having no public transport. It'd actually be funny if you were joking.

The Tesla factory has a BART station and a mainline rail station, so that's good. But the Tesla office is way out in the middle of nowhere.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/3500+Deer+Creek+Rd,+Palo+A...

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by totony »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #158
studmuffin650 wrote: post #111

Interested to see this go down in parallel with Elon's "everyone must be in office decree". I have multiple friends that work at Tesla and at least one of them has it in their work contract to allow remote work for at least a year (they started 2 weeks ago). Not sure how his decree will work out (though I have only heard about the employment contract, not actually seen it).

Is the statement in an actual work contract? Or just an item in the offer letter? In the US (and many countries) we don’t actually have work contracts as full-time employees. Offer letters aren’t contracts, as an lawyer will remind us. Companies can, and will, change employment terms and compensation as they want. Tesla does have an exception process for remote work, though.

If you accept an offer letter, wouldn't that be a tacit contract?

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by jeffbee »

danans wrote: post #471
halJordan wrote: post #203

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Yeah Fremont California, Austin Texas. Terribly famous for being cities of hundreds of thousands and having no public transport. It'd actually be funny if you were joking.

The Bay Area's public transit is only good compared to places with no public transit. It's far from comprehensive and the intermodal coordination is pretty non-existent. It's only good if your start and destination are on the same mode of transit. I don't know about Austin, but with Fremont's public transit, it would take at least 40 minutes to get from the Fremont BART station to the Tesla factory on public transit.…

Why would anyone use Fremont BART when Warm Springs BART almost abuts the Tesla factory?

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Post by smiddereens »

YinglingLight wrote: post #406
deelowe wrote: post #303

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I started assuming this after Musk called that cave exploration expert in Thailand a pedophile.

When was this? There is a big difference between Elon Musk pre and post-March 2018. For reasons that would take weeks to explain.

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