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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by tnel77 »

photochemsyn wrote: post #157
ericbarrett wrote: post #16

A couple of days ago somebody posted this Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/v2lpdw/e... "Tesla expanded massively during Covid, as of now half of the dev team(including me) don’t have parking space or desk. It’s physically impossible for everyone to return to office. "Should I ignore the email, or should I drive to the office and sit under the stairs?" Commenters' general feeling was…

Parking space? Ride your bike or take public transport, individual cars are not the best option. Electric buses and trains and bikes (for moving people) and electric trucks (for moving goods) are really where the future is going to be.

That’s neat, but the USA has garbage public transport. Many towns just have none. I think it’s unreasonable to expect people to use a resource that just isn’t there in most cases.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by BurningFrog »

selfportrait wrote: post #138
alkonaut wrote: post #15

> The message, sent on Thursday and titled “pause all hiring worldwide”, came two days after the billionaire told staff to return to the workplace or leave So people who claimed less than 24h ago it was at lest partially a way of creating cheap layoffs, were proven right pretty swiftly.

This is par for the course. Every time there is big news expected, Elon’s antics are elevated and a coordinated distraction by way of a tweet is posted. See the “political attacks on me” tweet as an example, which coincidentally was posted the day prior to his sexual assault allegations. The man has bought Twitter for the purposes of distracting and manipulating the public.

Or were the sexual assault allegations part of the political attacks on him?

How would you tell?

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by ryanbrunner »

GuB-42 wrote: post #61
lapcat wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when Marissa Mayer eliminated WFH at Yahoo? Seemed to work out well for them.

Yahoo is an internet company. Tesla makes cars. Even for IT workers, I guess that sometimes you need to test on the actual hardware, and the factory is where most things happen. I am not saying that working from home is impossible, or that banning it is a good thing, but you can't really compare Yahoo and Tesla.

Do Tesla office workers work at the same place as factory workers? I guess it's possible but it feels pretty unlikely.

If someone in software dev is in an office at a different address from the factory I don't see how Tesla having a factory is relevant.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by mbesto »

xxs wrote: post #33
that_guy_iain wrote: post #10

Everyone has a super bad feeling about the economy. I think most large companies are going to be announcing back to office then followed by layoffs.

It won't be 2007-2008 bad, but there will be a recession. First lay offs tend to be the R&D.

Says who? For tech companies, S&M is usually first to go. You don't need your growth engine during recessions, you need profit.

https://tomtunguz.com/sales-marketing-spend-model/

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by photochemsyn »

user3939382 wrote: post #135
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #6

Uh,ok... Two days ago the "Who is hiring" thread here had something like 20+ software engineering positions for Tesla. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31585021 More erratic decision making from Mr Musk. Like, I dunno, the time he told Twitter he was taking Tesla private while tripping on LSD. He needs to step aside from Tesla at this point.

> erratic decision making from Mr Musk I'd be the last person to defend Elon Musk, I don't know the guy, but just want to point out that when you're at his level of wealth and power you also have very wealthy, powerful enemies. I see ongoing, what appears to be coordinated, attempts in the mainstream/social media to paint him as crazy. I have no special access to the truth but I'd be unsurprised if those stories are…

From a strictly economic viewpoint, Tesla has made major inroads that threaten sales from other automakers (Ford, GM, Toyota) who were behind the curve on electric vehicles. Long-term mass adoption of electric vehicles threatens the profitability of the entire oil refinery sector. Similarly, SpaceX has made major inroads against other government contractors for the space delivery sector.

So it's pretty clear why these interests would want to badmouth Musk, but this doesn't really change the viability of the fundamental business models of Tesla and SpaceX. Basically, this is an industrialist model, not a financialist model, and that's the opposite of what the likes of Warren Buffett have been into. Industrialist models are really what the USA needs, the whole neoliberal financialization game has been a disaster for most of the country.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by tpxl »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #108
Silhouette wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remote work is bad for the economy. I've seen this claim a few times now. Are we actually sure it's true? Or does it just shift long-term spending trends? For example maybe people don't go to lots of inner city coffee bars in business districts any more but local cafes near residential areas are thriving. Maybe people don't stop in big stores on their way home from work but home delivery services are thriving. Maybe…

> For example maybe people don't go to lots of inner city coffee bars in business districts any more but local cafes near residential areas are thriving. People don't buy coffee on the way to work, people don't buy coffee on the way home, people don't buy sandwiches and snacks, people don't spend money on commuting, people don't spend money at resturants for launch, companies stop having team lunches. People don't go…

> People don't buy coffee on the way to work, people don't buy coffee on the way home, people don't buy sandwiches and snacks, people don't spend money on commuting, people don't spend money at resturants for launch, companies stop having team lunches.

And this money just goes poof instead of being reallocated elsewhere?

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by smaryjerry »

massysett wrote: post #79
procgen wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is remote work hammering the economy? What effect does it actually have on productivity?

It's keeping a lot of people at home who otherwise would be in downtowns or suburban office districts buying lunch, having clothes drycleaned, stopping in stores, buying gas, etc.

In theory what you are describing is a more efficient economy which would actually boost the economy, except for those unnecessary producers. Everyone cuts out unnecessary items and has more money to spend on necessary items. This is kind of true as the supply of nearly everything can’t meet the demand at the moment. Less people cutting hair and washing clothes means more people can work on producing other things people want… however since things that people want are mostly produced in China we can’t properly reallocate the labor force to increase production to meet demand, in particular in cities. US is way behind on manufacturing and is completely missing the tools to ramp up production. We are missing entire business to business categories that make production impossible because no one knows where or how to obtain raw materials or supplies, let alone the machinery to produce goods.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by cduzz »

zht wrote: post #72
that_guy_iain wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people say "no space in the building to allocate a desk” they mean "No space to neatly put a desk." Companies have often shown repeatedly they can force desks into rooms when needed. Anyways, they can and will buy office space to put the desks when needed.

what about occupancy/fire code limits?

Fire codes and occupancy limits are set by how many people can evacuate the building in a set amount of time. I worked at a place in an antique building and they had to limit how many classrooms were allowed in the building because they had to stay under these limits. Also, yearly, there were fire drills where they'd verify they could get everyone out.

So in tesla's case, they'd just fire all the people who leave their desks in a fire?

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by dylan604 »

dymk wrote: post #86
zht wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what about occupancy/fire code limits?

Elon will plead to the fire marshal to arrest only him, and force his workers to come in anyways

As if Musk would fall on his own sword let alone anyone else's. To much wasted time to be able to poke fun of Bezos or make some other bone headed tweet.
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