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Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by maze-le »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #55
aqzman wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect at some point in the next 5-15 years we will begin to see AI generated entertainment perfectly tailored to a person's preferences.

I can already envision everyone talking over each other trying to say how their personal AI generated TV show is the best show they have ever seen. Just imagine how much lonelier the world is going to feel when people don't even have entertainment in common anymore.

We are kind of already there (not having entertainment in common). It is hard to find a TV series or film that everyone in my friendship circle knows equally well -- the last one was Breaking Bad, and that was over 10 years ago. Everyone finds their niche interest I suppose. Its almost the same with music -- the last decade where our musical interests converged were the 90ies.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #14

This is amazing. We are at the precipice of someone releasing a $100M blockbuster movie just based on the language in the script with zero cost beyond compute. What will this mean for the future of entertainment…

On the one hand, the ability for Star Trek's Holodeck to create large amounts of content from a few terse natural language instructions is look less and less implausible.

On the other hand, I feel like this will ultimately be kinda like traditional procgen algorithms: once you've seen enough of what it produces it all starts feeling very bland and same-y. Sure, the AI may be able to produce a feature-length movie based on the input "What if Nicolas cage had played The Terminator and Aaron Sorkin wrote the script?", but somehow none of it would be surprising or interesting to you, it would lack the novelty and playfulness of a good human creative work, and it likely would be very shallow in its themes.

On the gripping hand though, perhaps in achieving that level of sophistication we inadvertently create something more alive and aware than we intended and instead of merely trying to produce satisfactory results it actually attempts to express itself in ways that resonate with us.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by zaphar »

endisneigh wrote: post #43
jovial_cavalier wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>circumventing all copyright can be as simple as creating a sufficiently close derivative and giving it away. That's correct. People do this all the time, sans the giving it away part. Also, there is no way that you can argue these images are not transformative.

I shouldn’t clarify - I’m not talking about the Kermit images, I’m talking about Dalle2 itself. If you had it render Neo from the Matrix, albeit imperfectly, would that be transformative use?

If I draw "Neo from the Matrix" does it matter how accurate I get Neo?

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by bogwog »

akersten wrote: post #49
endisneigh wrote: post #26

I don’t understand how this isn’t infringing some copyright. Anyone do any research on this? If we accept that a model trained on copyright material does not infringe on the materials rights, then circumventing all copyright can be as simple as creating a sufficiently close derivative and giving it away. Not to say that copyright is good to begin with.

Everything that you, a person with a paintbrush, could paint "in the style of" something else is informed by what your model (your brain) has been exposed to. There's no getting around that, and commissioning you to paint something "in the style of postwar authoritarian England" does not infringe the copyright of V for Vendetta (even if I told you "make it look just like the movie"); it's an original painting. Stylis…

> But in any scenario, nothing legally novel about the work being created by machine.

…except for the fact that it was created by a machine.

Just like copyright law had to be revised to deal with software and the internet, it will need to be revised to deal with AI.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

bogwog wrote: post #60
Workaccount2 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can already envision everyone talking over each other trying to say how their personal AI generated TV show is the best show they have ever seen. Just imagine how much lonelier the world is going to feel when people don't even have entertainment in common anymore.

Maybe the loneliness is a good thing? It seems like everyone (in America at least) hates each other, so extreme isolation may be just what we need in this country.

I think it's probable that everyone hates eachother because we're so isolated that we fail to form empathetic bonds with the people around us. More isolation doesn't seem like the solution.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by fullshark »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

I disagree that this is unimpressive, but do largely agree about AI winter. Dall-E 2 is probably the most impressive AI implementation I can recall in the past 5-10 years and it's still highly specialized problem being solved, and it's unclear what market it really can go after other than freelancing digital artists online who work for tiny commissions. I guess it's also gonna be great for NFTs but I consider that market illusory and will disappear within a few years.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by endisneigh »

zaphar wrote: post #63
endisneigh wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I shouldn’t clarify - I’m not talking about the Kermit images, I’m talking about Dalle2 itself. If you had it render Neo from the Matrix, albeit imperfectly, would that be transformative use?

If I draw "Neo from the Matrix" does it matter how accurate I get Neo?

If you drew it yourself there’s precedent under fair use. If you made something that drew it when prompted for “The Matrix” presumably it knows what that is and therefore is more ambiguous

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by natly »

fullshark wrote: post #66
PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

I disagree that this is unimpressive, but do largely agree about AI winter. Dall-E 2 is probably the most impressive AI implementation I can recall in the past 5-10 years and it's still highly specialized problem being solved, and it's unclear what market it really can go after other than freelancing digital artists online who work for tiny commissions. I guess it's also gonna be great for NFTs but I consider that ma…

I am definitely going to bet against the "AI winter is returning" idea by investing huge amounts of my time into understanding these algorithms. History doesn't have to repeat, sometimes that's the foolish prediction (the apple newton was made fun of by the simpsons but when the ipad came out the timing was perfect). I don't like overinflating OpenAIs already enormous ego but these are incredible images.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by canjobear »

messe wrote: post #23

Loved the David Lynch ones. I'm disappointed the image it generated for Eraserhead[1] didn't have Kermit as the baby[2]. I'm curious as to what it would generate for "Kermit the Frog in David Lynch's Dune". [1]: https://twitter.com/HvnsLstAngel/status/1531774195234791424?... [2]: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=eraserhead+baby&iax=images&...

Close https://twitter.com/Plinz/status/1532578234855936000

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by Simon321 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #16
coldcode wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ran it 1000 times and picked the best, you might get all good ones. I would want to see all 1000. It's like stock picker ads (person who called the market says XXX) where you only show the lucky ones.

It doesn’t matter if these images were one in 10,000, the facts that any exist that are this good is crazy.

And in reality it's up to the user to pick one 1 of 8 for Dalle-2, usually they're all at least decent.
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