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DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by phkahler »

aqzman wrote: post #25
mensetmanusman wrote: post #14

This is amazing. We are at the precipice of someone releasing a $100M blockbuster movie just based on the language in the script with zero cost beyond compute. What will this mean for the future of entertainment…

I suspect at some point in the next 5-15 years we will begin to see AI generated entertainment perfectly tailored to a person's preferences.

>> I suspect at some point in the next 5-15 years we will begin to see AI generated entertainment perfectly tailored to a person's preferences.

Kermit in Debby Does Dallas. Kermit in the Graduate. Kermit with 2 broken flippers. Oh the depravity. I'm not sure getting high quality visualizations of any random passing thought is a good idea ;-)

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by endisneigh »

jovial_cavalier wrote: post #32
endisneigh wrote: post #26

I don’t understand how this isn’t infringing some copyright. Anyone do any research on this? If we accept that a model trained on copyright material does not infringe on the materials rights, then circumventing all copyright can be as simple as creating a sufficiently close derivative and giving it away. Not to say that copyright is good to begin with.

>circumventing all copyright can be as simple as creating a sufficiently close derivative and giving it away. That's correct. People do this all the time, sans the giving it away part. Also, there is no way that you can argue these images are not transformative.

I shouldn’t clarify - I’m not talking about the Kermit images, I’m talking about Dalle2 itself. If you had it render Neo from the Matrix, albeit imperfectly, would that be transformative use?

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by vintermann »

throw6746 wrote: post #30
PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

I thought I was taking crazy pills, none of them look like kermit bur rather they look like a generic frog. They don't even have the same pattern around his collar.

It is odd, isn't it? It captures "essential" characteristics of all those films in a honestly brilliant way - but it doesn't capture any of the iconic characteristics of Kermit himself!

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Post by gk1 »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

> Again if this was done on someone's laptop it would be really impressive. However the fact that so much talent and resources were poured into pushing AI to it's limits and this is what we get tells me we've hit another brick wall as far as research goes.

You might be missing the point of what OpenAI is doing. The point is to show off the capability of their models in a way that's likely to go viral and lead to more business for OpenAI. Some people laughed at GPT-3's silly demos, but when they launched GitHub Copilot...

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by witheld »

tommoor wrote: post #33
PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling. This isn't impressive because the AI model doesn't accurately capture the "feel" of Kermit!?

The computer was asked to produce photos of Kermit the frog. It failed spectacularly at rendering anything resembling Kermit the frog.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by pddpro »

jayalammar wrote: post #21
coldcode wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ran it 1000 times and picked the best, you might get all good ones. I would want to see all 1000. It's like stock picker ads (person who called the market says XXX) where you only show the lucky ones.

Agreed that people should pay attention to cherry-picking of model outputs. For this one in particular, here are a few more results for Battlestar and The Office: https://twitter.com/Miles_Brundage/status/153247388947686195...

Imagine a crowd sourced metadataset of which model output is "good". What happens when we try to incorporate that knowledge into the pre-existing model? Will it learn to generate more "good"looking output?

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by jayalammar »

pddpro wrote: post #47
jayalammar wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that people should pay attention to cherry-picking of model outputs. For this one in particular, here are a few more results for Battlestar and The Office: https://twitter.com/Miles_Brundage/status/153247388947686195...

Imagine a crowd sourced metadataset of which model output is "good". What happens when we try to incorporate that knowledge into the pre-existing model? Will it learn to generate more "good"looking output?

Yes. This is already done in research and commercially (https://openai.com/blog/instruction-following/).

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by akersten »

endisneigh wrote: post #26

I don’t understand how this isn’t infringing some copyright. Anyone do any research on this? If we accept that a model trained on copyright material does not infringe on the materials rights, then circumventing all copyright can be as simple as creating a sufficiently close derivative and giving it away. Not to say that copyright is good to begin with.

Everything that you, a person with a paintbrush, could paint "in the style of" something else is informed by what your model (your brain) has been exposed to. There's no getting around that, and commissioning you to paint something "in the style of postwar authoritarian England" does not infringe the copyright of V for Vendetta (even if I told you "make it look just like the movie"); it's an original painting.

Stylistic inspiration is not an infringement of copyright, in either that case or the "do it on a computer" case here.

The Kermit the Frog aspect though is interesting - it applies equally for both the human and machine made works - if an argument could be made that the subject of the work sufficiently resembles the character, maybe there's a trademark issue at hand?

But in any scenario, nothing legally novel about the work being created by machine.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by natly »

sp332 wrote: post #9

Does that mean the developers put The Big Lebowski through the model during training? Where did they get all the movies and TV shows from? And does copying so directly from the source material open them and users up to copyright infringement liability?

They probably did, but even if they didn't it may have come from the terrabytes of data they scraped from the internet. OpenAI doesn't care. They claim that it's derivative enough to go under fair use. And whether it is or isn't, I guess their calculation is that the risk is worth taking to be the first to develop these algorithms, which is a huge head start if the courts decide that it does count as fair use.
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