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Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by throw6746 »

gk1 wrote: post #45
PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

> Again if this was done on someone's laptop it would be really impressive. However the fact that so much talent and resources were poured into pushing AI to it's limits and this is what we get tells me we've hit another brick wall as far as research goes. You might be missing the point of what OpenAI is doing. The point is to show off the capability of their models in a way that's likely to go viral and lead to more…

... And it's a decent tool?

If people say Dalle can improve the workflow of digital artists, sure, but Copilot hasn't revolutionized programming either, you still have to be a good programmer to finish whatever you are doing:

> A paper accepted for publication in the IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy in 2022 assessed the security of code generated by Copilot [...] The study found that across these axes in multiple languages, 39.33% of top suggestions and 40.73% of total suggestions lead to code vulnerabilities. Additionally, they found that small, non-semantic (i.e., comments) changes made to code could impact code safety.[14]

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by mcphage »

endisneigh wrote: post #43
jovial_cavalier wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>circumventing all copyright can be as simple as creating a sufficiently close derivative and giving it away. That's correct. People do this all the time, sans the giving it away part. Also, there is no way that you can argue these images are not transformative.

I shouldn’t clarify - I’m not talking about the Kermit images, I’m talking about Dalle2 itself. If you had it render Neo from the Matrix, albeit imperfectly, would that be transformative use?

It probably depends on how close it looks to the original.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by natly »

witheld wrote: post #46
tommoor wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling. This isn't impressive because the AI model doesn't accurately capture the "feel" of Kermit!?

The computer was asked to produce photos of Kermit the frog. It failed spectacularly at rendering anything resembling Kermit the frog.

These are crazy takes honestly

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by BeefWellington »

sp332 wrote: post #9

Does that mean the developers put The Big Lebowski through the model during training? Where did they get all the movies and TV shows from? And does copying so directly from the source material open them and users up to copyright infringement liability?

I'm imagining the defense will be: "Your honor, it can't be infringement because I ran it through an ML model first."

Especially if the movie(s) that are eventually generated this way are ripping whole scenes or sequences out of other films, a la copilot.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by Workaccount2 »

aqzman wrote: post #25
mensetmanusman wrote: post #14

This is amazing. We are at the precipice of someone releasing a $100M blockbuster movie just based on the language in the script with zero cost beyond compute. What will this mean for the future of entertainment…

I suspect at some point in the next 5-15 years we will begin to see AI generated entertainment perfectly tailored to a person's preferences.

I can already envision everyone talking over each other trying to say how their personal AI generated TV show is the best show they have ever seen.

Just imagine how much lonelier the world is going to feel when people don't even have entertainment in common anymore.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by Guest19023892 »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #24

These are honestly not very impressive (no sarcasm here) and further convince me that the next AI Winter will come with this coming recession. Don't get me wrong, they are still impressive in the quality of the visual they produce, but just like Markov Chain demos of old, they're neat but way miss the mark. None of these capture the "feel" of Kermit the Frog. Most of them look like weird designs for the Ninja Turtles…

I completely disagree. I think these are taking it a step further than your examples. Dalle2 is not just using the existing Kermit and pasting it in different environments, it's modifying Kermit to fit in that world.

For example, your Star Wars example...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6MebZx-4950/maxresdefault.jpg

It's clearly just an existing photo of Kermit pasted over an image from the film. There are even two sets of arms. I could Photoshop that in a few minutes.

Then, the Dalle2 image...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUEDDm2UEAAO8yb?format=jpg&name=...

I think it's impressive. It looks like Kermit is a character in the Star Wars universe. There are a few issues with the eyes and feet, and it's also hard to tell if it's a creature or a person in a frog suit. However, it gets 90% of the way there, and the pose is great for a frog/human hybrid.

The most exciting thing is how this could be used as a starting point for design. I could take the Dalle2 Kermit image above, fix the eyes/feet, add a few distinctive Kermit features, and have a great piece of concept art in an hour, rather than taking a day or two to create something from scratch. Obviously it can't be applied to all workflows, but for those it's suited for, it'll save vast amounts of time and costs. For that reason, it's already something of real value in its current state. The same can't be said about the Star Wars examples you provided.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by bogwog »

BeefWellington wrote: post #54
sp332 wrote: post #9

Does that mean the developers put The Big Lebowski through the model during training? Where did they get all the movies and TV shows from? And does copying so directly from the source material open them and users up to copyright infringement liability?

I'm imagining the defense will be: "Your honor, it can't be infringement because I ran it through an ML model first." Especially if the movie(s) that are eventually generated this way are ripping whole scenes or sequences out of other films, a la copilot.

I feel like if they don’t have licenses for all of their source material, then the model should be required to be released into the public domain.

It’s like extremely expensive piracy that is bad for artists and bad for the environment.

I wonder if the reason OpenAI, Google, etc don’t release these things isn’t so much that they’re worried about racist/offensive output, but instead they’re worried about people using it to create images of, say, Mickey Mouse and drawing the attention of his lawyers? It’d be better for AI companies to keep all of this stuff in a legal gray area for as long as possible.

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by myrmidon »

tgv wrote: post #4
alex_duf wrote: post #2

These are mind bogglingly good

Yes, and it still feels a lot like Searle's Chinese Room. It's as if it skips a dozen steps. Well, that's exactly what happens, of course. But it does show that the network can match linguistic descriptions to images extraordinarily well.

Do you find the Chinese Room argument convincing?

Do you feel that the human mind is more than an "appropriately" trained "biological" neural network?

What do you consider the limits of a DALL-E like system compared to a "true" mind?

My personal opinion is that the Chinese Room argument is fancy handwaving that crucially relies on never being explicit about what it means by "understanding", combined with an appeal to intuition.

I strongly believe that there is nothing "magical" about the human mind or brain (that could not be replicated artificially), and thus that a comparably trained, appropriately designed system ("DALL-E successor") OR a copy OR a simulation of a human brain would be all just as capable and "understanding"/"conscious" as another human...

Re: DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films

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Post by bogwog »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #55
aqzman wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect at some point in the next 5-15 years we will begin to see AI generated entertainment perfectly tailored to a person's preferences.

I can already envision everyone talking over each other trying to say how their personal AI generated TV show is the best show they have ever seen. Just imagine how much lonelier the world is going to feel when people don't even have entertainment in common anymore.

Maybe the loneliness is a good thing? It seems like everyone (in America at least) hates each other, so extreme isolation may be just what we need in this country.
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