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Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by GaelFG »

ars wrote: post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

"So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful." I (genuinely) wonder if what's true. I remember thinking the same things about electric car "how can burning fuel in a factory, storing it, send it thought line for kilometers and then store them in a car batteries and then feed the motor be more efficient than burning fuel directly in the motor" and was proven false. Assuming we aldready have the electric lines of course. (I also dont know the ergy waste of packaging the gaz in usable bottle, move them and retrive them, I assume it's significant, maybe i'm wrong).

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by SenHeng »

Lots of Korean bbq (yakiniku) restaurants in Japan have shifted to electric hot plates over the last decade. It's honestly a more comfortable experience, no more hot air rushing over your face, or cooking your wrist while turning some meat over.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by Maursault »

ars wrote: post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

> This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking.

I concur. This is the same thing as blaming Climate Change on road vehicles when most of Climate Change is caused by energy, shipping, construction, concrete manufacture, glass making, etc. Mostly, Climate Change isn't caused by the People. It's business and industry causing it. IOW, greed causes Global Warming.

So they're focusing on a space that has negligible effect or no effect whatsoever on Climate Change, while there are massive methane and ethane leaks in Bakersfield and Aliso Canyon, the later of which dumped 100K tons of methane into the atmosphere. Pay no attention to most of the stupid oil rigs all over SoCal that are probably leaking mountains of methane and expressly not benefitting CA residents with fuel less than $8/gal.

Why does everything have to be so stupid?! Just shut it all down, every contributor, ban it all, bite the energy bullet now, and stop Climate Change before the dang Thermohaline breaks and Europe freezes over. Well, I guess that will stop it, but we'll all be half asleep and asphyxiating from so much CO2.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by carabiner »

SenHeng wrote: post #12

Lots of Korean bbq (yakiniku) restaurants in Japan have shifted to electric hot plates over the last decade. It's honestly a more comfortable experience, no more hot air rushing over your face, or cooking your wrist while turning some meat over.

This is how many korean families do it at home. You have a plug-in, table top griddle. They certainly don't all have gas grills inside their dining areas.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by buro9 »

ars wrote: post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

> I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity

I've been thinking about this in Europe. How to wean oneself off of gas.

The big wins are electric generation, and those can be done within a reasonable timeframe by states with largely unilateral decision making.

But the long tail... Domestic use of gas. That's hard.

How does one ask an entire populace to rid themselves off of gas hobs, gas heated water, gas heated radiators?

It takes time, maybe with concerted effort in only one generation could it be achieved.

Weirdly it makes sense to start banning things on the long tail and seed the idea that this all comes to an end and early adopters need to be on electricity already.

As ridiculous a drop in the ocean of banning a BBQ grill... That long tail has to be addressed.

I'd love to see a ban on all gas combi boilers and gas hobs in the UK as soon as 5 years time. I'm more surprised this isn't seen as an opportunity to innovate in this space and open multiple new markets and leaps in what can be done with electricity.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by ars »

teruakohatu wrote: post #9
ars wrote: post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

> 30 amp for the dryer plus 30 amp for the water heater plus 30 amp for the AC, Heat pump water heaters and heat pump air heaters solve that problem and save money. Heat pump dryers on the other hand are a bit rubbish (take a very long time to dry clothes, but they do save money).

Heat pump water heaters are also bad, I wanted to buy one and didn't because they are very slow to heat the water. Too slow to be useful for me.

They are especially bad in northern climates since the incoming water is cold, and they put cold air in your house - which then has to be heated by the home heater.

An A/C is already a heat pump.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by letitbeirie »

GaelFG wrote: post #11
ars wrote: post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

"So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful." I (genuinely) wonder if what's true. I remember thinking the same things about electric car "how can burning fuel in a factory, storing it, send it thought line for kilometers and then store them in a car batteries and then feed the motor be more efficient than burning fuel directly in the motor" and was proven false. Assuming we aldready have th…

If you're burning fuel for power that's one thing, but you don't get any conversion losses at all if you're burning it for heat underneath/inside the thing you want to be hot.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by ars »

basedgod wrote: post #7
ars wrote: post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

you don't know what you're talking about or anything about induction stoves induction stoves are far more efficient in terms of heat transferred to food vs gas, which mostly heats the air instead and yeah it's a bummer the one time every 2 years you go to use all 4 burners at once you won't be able to max amp it

I use all 4 burners at the same time at least every week, if not more often.

You must not cook very much.

It's not hard: boil water for pasta, potatoes, make a soup, and then cook a protein, and bake a cake. That's not a complicated meal - you could do than on any random day.

> which mostly heats the air instead

That isn't actually true, which you can tell for yourself by simply putting your hand near a fire, and a fire with a pot on it.

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Post by ars »

spacemanmatt wrote: post #10
ars wrote: post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

Someone wired 120 amps to just my stove. I think my A/C is the only other circuit that fat. House is a "builder" model I estimate is about 1 in 10 or 15 around here, from the 1980s.

120amp to your stove? What in the world does the plug look like? I've never seen a plug that big, except with 3-phase.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Post by ars »

GaelFG wrote: post #11
ars wrote: post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

"So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful." I (genuinely) wonder if what's true. I remember thinking the same things about electric car "how can burning fuel in a factory, storing it, send it thought line for kilometers and then store them in a car batteries and then feed the motor be more efficient than burning fuel directly in the motor" and was proven false. Assuming we aldready have th…

An electric motor is more efficient mostly because of regenerative braking. Not having an engine with variable RPM helps.

They should make a car that's basically a generator charging a medium sized battery, and everything else is electric. (Don't directly power the wheels from the engine, that makes things too complicated.)

Kind of like a diesel-electric train, but with a battery to capture energy from regenerative braking, and for surge power.

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