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What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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Actual article title: "The end of Korean BBQ in L.A.? What the gas stove ban means for your fave restaurants"

Subtitle, emphasis mine: "Chinese and Korean chefs in Los Angeles are worried that a ban on future gas stoves may alter their kitchens forever."

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking.

I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity.

But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful.

And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the stove at the same time.

We would need to basically double the electric supply to the range to do that.

The standard 50 amp plug is not enough. And a lot of homes go with the cheaper 30 amp.

Each burner needs around 15 amp and then the stove needs maybe 30. Basically you need around 100 amp supply, or more realistically two 50s.

Of course homes typically max out at 200 amp service, so 100 amp for the stove plus 50 amp for the car plus 30 amp for the dryer plus 30 amp for the water heater plus 30 amp for the AC, and you can see we're in trouble.

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I've got a Control Freak, probably the highest end induction cooktop available for a home chef, and is even used in 3 michelin star restaurants like Alinea. It's amazing for consistency, holding temperature, and a dozen other things. It's quite responsive in general!

But I still reach for my Iwatani butane stove and copper saucepot sometimes. These are still significantly more responsive even than a top of the line induction cooker, and I don't have a gas line.

Gas still has a place in cooking. It has all sorts of drawbacks, from air quality issues for humans, safety issues, etc., but as of right now, there are thermal properties around materials like copper which will not work with induction that mean there are things that simply can't be done with them, and resistive electric is horribly non-responsive. At least with current materials science, there's no true alternative.

Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants

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post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

you don't know what you're talking about or anything about induction stoves

induction stoves are far more efficient in terms of heat transferred to food vs gas, which mostly heats the air instead

and yeah it's a bummer the one time every 2 years you go to use all 4 burners at once you won't be able to max amp it

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post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

> 30 amp for the dryer plus 30 amp for the water heater plus 30 amp for the AC,

Heat pump water heaters and heat pump air heaters solve that problem and save money.

Heat pump dryers on the other hand are a bit rubbish (take a very long time to dry clothes, but they do save money).

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post #4

This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…

Someone wired 120 amps to just my stove. I think my A/C is the only other circuit that fat. House is a "builder" model I estimate is about 1 in 10 or 15 around here, from the 1980s.
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