What a gas stove ban means for restaurants
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What a gas stove ban means for restaurants
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#3Subtitle, emphasis mine: "Chinese and Korean chefs in Los Angeles are worried that a ban on future gas stoves may alter their kitchens forever."
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#4I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity.
But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful.
And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the stove at the same time.
We would need to basically double the electric supply to the range to do that.
The standard 50 amp plug is not enough. And a lot of homes go with the cheaper 30 amp.
Each burner needs around 15 amp and then the stove needs maybe 30. Basically you need around 100 amp supply, or more realistically two 50s.
Of course homes typically max out at 200 amp service, so 100 amp for the stove plus 50 amp for the car plus 30 amp for the dryer plus 30 amp for the water heater plus 30 amp for the AC, and you can see we're in trouble.
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#6But I still reach for my Iwatani butane stove and copper saucepot sometimes. These are still significantly more responsive even than a top of the line induction cooker, and I don't have a gas line.
Gas still has a place in cooking. It has all sorts of drawbacks, from air quality issues for humans, safety issues, etc., but as of right now, there are thermal properties around materials like copper which will not work with induction that mean there are things that simply can't be done with them, and resistive electric is horribly non-responsive. At least with current materials science, there's no true alternative.
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#7This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…
induction stoves are far more efficient in terms of heat transferred to food vs gas, which mostly heats the air instead
and yeah it's a bummer the one time every 2 years you go to use all 4 burners at once you won't be able to max amp it
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#9This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…
Heat pump water heaters and heat pump air heaters solve that problem and save money.
Heat pump dryers on the other hand are a bit rubbish (take a very long time to dry clothes, but they do save money).
Re: What a gas stove ban means for restaurants
#10This is such a foolish law, environmentally speaking. I totally understand doing this once we've phased out burning natural gas for electricity. But we are not there today, today we are burning natural gas for electricity. So using electricity instead of natural gas in your home is wasteful. And yes I'm well aware that induction stoves are a thing. But induction stoves of today cannot run all four burners and the sto…